<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944</id><updated>2011-11-09T09:00:36.629-08:00</updated><category term='John Owen book Trinitarian Spirituality'/><title type='text'>Brian K. Kay</title><subtitle type='html'>Formed and unformed thoughts</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>46</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-9067975222839867257</id><published>2009-09-21T09:21:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-21T09:58:07.691-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Karen Armstrong on Fresh Air</title><content type='html'>I just heard religions scholar Karen Armstrong interviewed by Terry Gross on Fresh Air.  Not to be too harsh, but wow - she radically misinterpreted the Old Testament and the Koran in ways that would make both books unrecognizable to almost any historical Jewish or Muslim community, no matter what their other differences.  Here's her basic interpretive premise:  "Since we know that the eastern concept that ultimate reality is impersonal and monistic is the true way to think about God, the Koran and Old Testament must have been only using the idea of "God" as a symbol of that impersonal reality.  Anybody who who thinks these books are literally talking about a personal God has missed this much more sophisticated point, (and may be on the way to being a terrorist)"  &lt;br /&gt;The grain of truth in this is that, yes, the Judeo-Christian view of God portrayed in the Bible is such that our knowledge of God, even knowledge that God gives us by revelation, is always only analogous to his true nature.  As most Christian theologians in history have also said, we never quite know God as he is in himself (&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;in se&lt;/span&gt;). That is, God is not "just like us but writ large" (Armstrong's regular phrase).   However, to say that God's self-revelation functions as analogous language (which is proper) does not imply that such language is merely symbolic in the sense that is has no correlation with God's actual nature.  Analogies have a basis in real similarities between symbol and thing signified.  So, while neither Jews and Muslims expected God to possess a literal and gigantic fleshly appendage because of scriptural texts describing God's "strong arm", they understood such texts to mean, at least, that a divine personal being existed who had the ability and will to strongly intervene in human affairs.  To say, as Armstrong does, that such texts did not even intend to refer to a personal God is really stretching the plain sense of these scriptures, and the plain sense of language in general.  And if we deny that the God referred to in the Bible (or Koran) is not even intended to refer to a personal being,the language isn't really analagous in any sense, it's more of a mere fairy tale.  But such texts have never functioned that way in any Jewish, Muslim, or Christian community.   As an eastern pantheistic monist (as far as I can tell from listening to her), Armstrong should just acknowledge that the Bible and the Koran simply represent a different view of God, rather than suggesting that anyone who doesn't read such texts through the lens of monism has misunderstood the most basic claims of their holy books.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-9067975222839867257?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/9067975222839867257/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=9067975222839867257' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/9067975222839867257'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/9067975222839867257'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2009/09/karen-armstrong-on-fresh-air.html' title='Karen Armstrong on Fresh Air'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-1737351925380317121</id><published>2008-12-27T20:01:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-27T20:26:56.194-08:00</updated><title type='text'>An Old Exception to the WCF</title><content type='html'>What follows is a written exception I took to the Westminster Confession of Faith, 21-7, before the Northern California Presbytery of the PCA, back in October of 1996. I'm posting the text here mosty so that I won't lose it myself - in fact, I had to Google myself to find this version, which probably exists only on the presbyteriannews.org website (many written records of our presbytery during this period have been lost). For those less interested in such details, this is basically my rebuttal to the English Puritan view that the fourth commandment forbids almost all forms of work and recreation on Sunday.  My own view was shaped largely by Meredith Kline, and, in my view, takes more seriously the typological aspect of Sinai legislation than the Puritan view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Kay took exception to WCF 21-7 ("observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations"), since he believes that "it is highly likely that the command to abstain from all work is specific to Sinai, given that Sinai described the unique instance of a pure theocracy where worship and labor could be completely ordered and integrated. Israel was a geo-political expression of the kingdom of God, a type of the heavenly kingdom to come. As New Covenant believers, we still await the consummation of God's kingdom, yet there is no political or civil component to it at this time. Unlike the Israelites then, we live in a common grace culture where we work for nonbelievers as well as employ them. It seems improper that the church (with its solely spiritual domain) would require common-grace culture to accommodate to Sabbath labor laws which originally were in place to make a special-grace typological point--that the people of God will ultimately enter God's Sabbath rest (Heb. 4)."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-1737351925380317121?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/1737351925380317121/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=1737351925380317121' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/1737351925380317121'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/1737351925380317121'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2008/12/old-exception-to-wcf.html' title='An Old Exception to the WCF'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-4274667922165236598</id><published>2008-08-26T13:48:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-31T23:40:26.453-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Note on Theological Category Mistakes</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Mistake.svg/591px-Mistake.svg.png"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Mistake.svg/591px-Mistake.svg.png" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Summary: God provides general revelation to help us fulfill his common-grace culture-building mandate, and special revelation to inform our special-grace kindgom-building mandate.  If we mix-up the differences between the content, modes, and purposes of these two types of theology, large problems result.&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mostly, this is a quick note to myself, though I thought I'd post it here in order to stimulate conversation or feedback.  &lt;br /&gt;     A time-tested category division in theology has been made between general revelation and special revelation.  The latter refers to truth that God reveals through Scripture and is otherwise inaccessible to unaided human reason or experience.  The former, general revelation, refers to anything that God reveals outside of supernatural means, and that would be knowable to anyone (regenerate and unregenerate) through reason and experience.  So, the specific category mistake I'm referring to is when we wrongly require special revelation to tell us about a topic that God has only chosen to reveal through general revelation.   A not-too controversial application of this idea is the example of bridge-building: special revelation (the Bible) says nothing about how to construct a suspension bridge, but most of us would only be willing to cross a bridge if we believed the designers and builders had respected the various principles of bridge-building that physicists and engineers have discovered.  Ultimately, though God created the laws of physics and the physical properties of various building materials, he reveals these truths to humans through general revelation (the sciences), not through special revelation.  General revelation can be understood by a non-Christian person, even if not exhaustively as to its ultimate meaning in light of the triune God (cf. Cornelius Van Til, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;et. al.&lt;/span&gt;).  That is, a non-Christian can understand physics, even if he doesn't understand, through special revelation, that the ultimate purpose of physics is the glory of the triune God of the Bible. &lt;br /&gt;     Going beyond bridge-building, a slightly more controversial example would be statecraft.  Can a person be a good ruler of a nation, say, if he uses principles of political theory that don't acknowledge the God or derive from the Bible?  A more controversial example yet:  could a non-Christian marriage counselor provide real help to a Christian couple since he would not acknowledge what special revelation says about the ultimate purpose and design of marriage -- for example, that marriage is a mirror of Christ's husbandly relationship to his bride, the church?  Even broader, how much general revelation has God given, accessible even to those who do not acknowledge God who is its source, that would allow a perceptive non-Christian to give a piece advice about human relationships to a Christian who could not find that same particular piece of help in the Bible?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     These are not new questions, but consider that the context for answering them might best be found in another distinction:  the cultural mandate vs. the kingdom mandate.  The cultural mandate owes its &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;locus classicus&lt;/span&gt; to Genesis 1:28 where God commands Adam and Eve, and all humanity, to "be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it."  This mandate is to be fulfilled by those outside of a special covenant relationship with God - it is "general", global, and is the reason why marriage, child-bearing, and culture-building pleases God wherever it occurs (and why indiscriminate divorce, for example, displeases God even when committed by non-Christians).  Culture-building, however, as God-honoring as it is, should not to be confused with kingdom-building, which is the mandate to the redeemed community to preach, teach, and live-out the indicatives and imperatives of special revelation.  As someone has said, culture-building is God's way of maintaining a theater of redemption, that is, an ordered world where his church can grow and do its work.  For example, the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Pax Romana&lt;/span&gt; was a social and political reality, a laudable culture-building success story that cannot be credited to Christians, though it delivered a peace and prosperity that any Christian would thank God for, and more importantly, that created a particular set of social conditions that made the rapid spread of the church through the ancient Mediterranean world possible.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     So here is the final thesis:  when the topic is one of culture-building, general revelation will often be indispensable, and the Christian may even turn for help to a non-Christian who has studied that particular area of general revelation more adequately. For example, in-so-far as marriage is a common-grace, culture-building institution that even non-Christians properly engage in, a non-Christian marriage counselor may have something to teach the Christian about the how-to's of married life.  Of course, upon leaving the counselor's office the Christian will properly refer any new general revelation discoveries to the God who he knows through special revelation by praying, "God, may you be glorified as I seek to serve my spouse in the ways I just learned, and forgive me for failing to love her like this before today." &lt;br /&gt;     A perennial danger will present itself when the Christian, in a theological category mistake, will not accept the teaching of general revelation (that even a non-Christian has access to, by God's grace) because he "doesn't see it in the Bible".  The Bible is primarily a book of God's special revelation that proclaims his supernatural redemptive plan to create a people for himself through his Son's intercession -- it is not a manual for how to fulfill the cultural mandate.  To require that the Scriptures speak to issues that God only addresses in general revelation is a category mistake, and will cause the Christian to either overly tax the text by making it teach on areas that it barely touches on, or to decide that such areas, since not dealt with by the Bible, are therefore unimportant and should be ignored or actively dismissed.  In other words, some will invent whole systems of say, "biblical financial planning" or forcibly extract "God's method of parenting" in the Scriptures, while others will see the specious exegesis of such attempts, but will mistakenly go on to decide that details of financial planning, since not spoken of in the Bible, are not important or is an unspiritual pursuit.  The first mistake is to aribtrarily demand that special revelation should be the only manual for how to fulfill the cultural mandate, while the second mistake denies altogether that God has given a cultural mandate.  While the Bible is not silent on the topics of money and parenting, to be sure, there is no systematic treatment of either topic.  What the Bible reveals, primarily, are "directional" commands -- that is, that we use our money and parenting influence for God's glory and not our own, for the good of the child and not our own, etc.  Many more good and proper things could be said about financial management and parenting, but many of those things are properly discovered through God's general revelation (through reason, science, trial and error, etc.) &lt;br /&gt;     While most of this entry deals with the problem of denying the role of general revelation (and thus consequent mistake of reductionism and anti-intellectualism) a related problem is the denying the role of special revelation as the necessary source for kingdom building, which results in mislabeling various (good) cultural projects as "kingdom" work.  For example, when non-Christians implement an environmentally conscious civic policy, Christians should applaud, but never call it a "kingdom" accomplishment.  Just some opening thoughts...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-4274667922165236598?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/4274667922165236598/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=4274667922165236598' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/4274667922165236598'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/4274667922165236598'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2008/08/note-on-theological-category-mistakes.html' title='A Note on Theological Category Mistakes'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-3870959609300615478</id><published>2008-06-30T00:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T23:06:42.712-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Owen book Trinitarian Spirituality'/><title type='text'>Announcing Book on John Owen</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/SGiOyT7GBLI/AAAAAAAAAAs/mJJV4Oqemzo/s1600-h/41rAG85mAdL._SS500_.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/SGiOyT7GBLI/AAAAAAAAAAs/mJJV4Oqemzo/s200/41rAG85mAdL._SS500_.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5217577163301455026" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is probably as good a forum as any to announce the American release of my book on John Owen's devotional theology, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Trinitarian Spirituality: John Owen and the Doctrine of God in Western Devotion&lt;/span&gt;.  The book is a slightly-edited version of my dissertation at the University of Bristol, so it might be rough-going for those who do not already have an interest in the great Puritan, John Owen, or in the development of Western devotional theology.  However, there's plenty also to attract determined Christian readers who might want to consider how an abstract doctrine like the Trinity might actually change the way they speak to God in prayer.  I am, of course, incredibly flattered to have J.I. Packer's foreword - he, after all, is the one whose writings first introduced me to John Owen.  Amazon has copies, as does the publisher, Wipf and Stock.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-3870959609300615478?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/3870959609300615478/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=3870959609300615478' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/3870959609300615478'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/3870959609300615478'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2008/06/announcing-book-on-john-owen.html' title='Announcing Book on John Owen'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/SGiOyT7GBLI/AAAAAAAAAAs/mJJV4Oqemzo/s72-c/41rAG85mAdL._SS500_.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-8612227485447543445</id><published>2007-09-29T00:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T23:06:42.797-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Interview with John Stott</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/Rv4H4M49nhI/AAAAAAAAAAk/XdX1ynHMjOw/s1600-h/John+Stott.bmp"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/Rv4H4M49nhI/AAAAAAAAAAk/XdX1ynHMjOw/s200/John+Stott.bmp" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5115534888853675538" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few years ago I interviewed John R. Stott for an article in my seminary newspaper (Gordon-Conwell in Massachuesetts).  Very few saw that original article, so I thought I would reprint it here.  At the time, I was wrestling through a few theological questions and thought I'd ask Dr. Stott to weigh in.  For those of you who don't know, Dr. Stott is an evangelical Anglican who was recently described in the New York Times by, I believe, David Cromartie, who said, "If Evangellicals could elect a pope, it would be John Stott." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brian Kay: In your ministry you have emphasized what you term BBC, or Balanced Biblical Christianity. What areas of potential imbalance do you see as temptations for those preparing for ministry in evangelical churches?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stott: Frankly there are so many examples of evangelical imbalance that it would be difficult to know which to select, but I would like to begin with a question that I was asked just now which relates to the case of devotional life in theological studies. I quoted to that person something which is attributed to Bishop Moule. He said that we must be aware equally of an undevotional theology and of an untheological devotion, and that is a good example of balance. Now there are plenty of men and women who go to seminary and gain their academic excellence, which is fine, but their spiritual life suffers. They leave an academic success and a spiritual failure. And then of course, there are the people who go the other way; they are such men and women of God that they don’t care about academic excellence. But I believe that we need in the ordained pastoral ministry today people who combine academic excellence with personal godliness. The two are more or less equally important.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kay: In order to insure proper balance in our Christian intellectual life, you have spoken of biblical agnosticism, that we should avoid forming doctrinal beliefs in areas where the Bible does not speak clearly. Which such areas do you believe evangelicals have shown unwarranted dogmatism?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stott: I think my phrase was not areas in which the Bible does not speak but areas in which the Bible does not speak with absolute clarity. When the Reformers talked about the perspicuity of scripture, they were not referring to the whole of the Bible but to the central message of salvation—in Christ, by grace, through faith—and that is as plain as day. Evangelical people who take the Scripture as their authority are 95 percent agreed on these central doctrines of the faith—but then there were these areas in which the Scripture is not so clear which the Reformers referred to as the adiaphora, the matters indifferent, in which scripture is not equally plain. These would include questions concerning baptism, such as the particular volume of water that is necessary to validate a baptism or whether you should only baptize adult believers or the children of adult believers as well. It would include our particular understanding of the ministry, I think. It would include prophetic questions, of course, the millennium and the interpretation of biblical prophecy. These are some of the areas, although there are a great many more, in which Christians ought to give one another liberty. I’m sure you know the phrase which is attributed to Rupert Muldinious. Nobody knows quite who he was (some think he was a pseudonym for Richard Baxter, round about the Puritan period). He said that in essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty and in all things charity. We’re talking about the second—nonessentials. How do we know that they are nonessentials or that they are adiaphora? Because Scripture isn’t so clear or because equally biblical Christians, equally anxious to be submissive to the Scripture, come to different conclusions. These then seem to me to deserve to be called adiaphora.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kay: For Protestantism, documents like the Westminster Confession or the 39 Articles have been historic standards of belief and practice. However, the length of these confessions seem to dwarf many of the short statements of faith that our churches use today. Should we view this trend as a sign of properly applied biblical agnosticism or as a watering down of historic doctrine?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Stott: I think we need to realize that churches that have produced confessions have tended to produce two, one a baptismal confession for members and the other a much fuller confession for teachers of the faith. The Apostles’ Creed is regarded as the baptismal faith of Christians, at least in the Church of England of which I am. Candidates of baptism either have to recite the Apostles’ Creed, which is a basic statement of Trinitarian faith, or they are asked whether they believe it as it is recited for them. The Creed is a pretty elementalist statement focusing on Jesus (though actually Trinitarian) which we believe to be so basic that people shouldn’t be baptized if they don’t believe it. In our Anglican situation, it was the 39 Articles, of course, which were the fuller statement. It was never intended that members should subscribe to the 39 Articles at baptism, but it was intended from the beginning that clergy should subscribe. Indeed, when I was ordained it was still the rule in the Church of England that you assented to the 39 Articles before the bishop ordained you and that in each new church to which you went as a minister you had to recite all the 39 Articles. In fact, for about 20 years at All Soul’s Church I used to recite them every year and then preach on one of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kay: Church discipline is usually considered appropriate not just for moral failure but for areas of doctrine as well. Should we base our discipline on the standard of a more basic document, such as the Apostles’ Creed, rather than on a longer confession?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stott: I would. Perhaps with one exception—one of the main gaps in the Apostles’ Creed is any reference to justification by grace through faith. Salvation is mentioned in the Nicene Creed, but there is no doctrine of the cross—there is no atonement. I would say that there should be discipline, I don’t know about members but certainly for teachers, if they don’t subscribe to the really basic things. These would include the virgin birth, the atoning death and the bodily resurrection of Jesus. But then again, for BBC, the church has always oscillated between extremes of laxity and discipline, and I don’t want us to get back to a very severe discipline where you’re excommunicating people every other day. I think the New Testament indicates that it’s only for very serious offenses, either belief or practice, that excommunication should be considered, and then only as the final resort.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-8612227485447543445?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/8612227485447543445/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=8612227485447543445' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/8612227485447543445'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/8612227485447543445'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/09/interview-with-john-stott.html' title='Interview with John Stott'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/Rv4H4M49nhI/AAAAAAAAAAk/XdX1ynHMjOw/s72-c/John+Stott.bmp' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-6067014204059100129</id><published>2007-08-11T19:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T23:06:42.990-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Let's Not Give Up on "Sin"</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/RsFXFdflX_I/AAAAAAAAAAc/KnbgWX2KxLw/s1600-h/cookbookcover.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/RsFXFdflX_I/AAAAAAAAAAc/KnbgWX2KxLw/s200/cookbookcover.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5098452004488175602" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a pastor, I’ve learned that one of the realities of my job is to receive unsolicited performance reviews after the Sunday service— sometimes from people I’ve barely met.  Alternately, I find myself humbled, flattered, encouraged, insulted, and confused.  It's a part of church work that I wouldn’t trade for anything.   There is one visitor’s comment, however, that I’ve heard enough times that I’ve begun to take a little more notice.  It’s usually phrased something like this: “I like it when you talked about God’s love, but did you have to keep talking about sin?”      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The psychiatrist Karl Meninger wrote a book a few decades ago called &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Whatever Became of Sin&lt;/span&gt;?  Meninger’s question is still worth asking.  It seems that “sin,” as a serious word to describe the dark side of human motivation, has almost fallen out of use.  It certainly has lost its broad appeal.  When the word makes a rare appearance, it usually serves two very opposite purposes.  Either it describes only the worst kind of atrocities, or it acts as comic relief—sort of a playful jab at the overly scrupulous (“Let us tempt you with our Sin-Sationally Rich Chocolate Sundae!”).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why the recent twisting of such a long-used word?  With embarrassment, Christians must admit to some (not all) of the blame.  Certain periods of American Christianity have suggested that sin is coequal with drinking any amount of alcohol, playing cards, and dancing.  The rest of the culture looks at the Church in such times and sighs, “Oh, brother.”  I call this the silly-ification of sin, and it makes my job harder.  What’s worse, when “sin” is trivialized in this way, the word loses much of its original power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The New Testament has another view of sin altogether, one that makes the word worth keeping in our vocabulary.  Sin was a deeply complex topic for Jesus and the apostles, yet one very simple term was often used to describe it: the Greek epithymia, which is best translated  “over-desire.”  Sin, therefore, is not simply the desire for the wrong things, but a disproportionate over-desire for anything, even good things.  To appreciate a sleek car is not sin, but to over-desire it by believing that your life is somehow incomplete without it, is greed. Over-desire shows itself as the root of all kinds of sin.  Having a good reputation is certainly desirable, but if you over-desire to protect your reputation, you will be tempted to lie or dodge criticism whenever you fear someone may discover your faults.  The sin of bitterness has a similar cause.  Because God made us, we have built-in dignity and worth.  But, if we over-desire that others respect our dignity, we will succumb to bitterness or even hatred when someone doesn’t give us the respect that we demand.  Have you ever surprised yourself by flaring-up at another driver who didn’t afford you the courtesy of his turn signal? The Bible says, “Don’t be so surprised,” for to be even slightly snubbed is a crisis for the one who is over-committed to getting the appreciation of others. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we neutralize such thoughts and motivations by simply calling them “defense mechanisms” or even “personality flaws,” we underestimate their damaging effects.  In fact, the greatest underlying human problem, which really defines all sin, is that we desire other things more than we desire God. We regularly seek our ultimate pleasure in things that were never designed to bear that responsibility—they just aren’t weighty enough.  Ironically, even those who set out for a great career, a loving family, a good reputation, and then attain their goals, often report a nagging restlessness that something is still missing (and so we divorce, change careers, etc.).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus taught that there is only one thing that can’t be over-desired, one thing that is substantial enough to be the anchor for our souls:  himself.  Jesus said that knowing and serving him actually brings about the satisfaction that we failingly (and sinfully) seek in so many other places.  Blaise Pascal said it this way: “Inside every man’s heart is a God-shaped vacuum.”  That is, though we try to fill ourselves with meaning by any number of people, possessions, and good causes, only God is shaped to fit.  So, in the end, sins are not the arbitrary no-no’s of a Heavenly Kill-Joy, but the dangerous pursuits that prevent us from gaining the great Joy-Giver himself.  Keeping a rough word like “sin” in our vocabulary reminds us that displacing God is not just a lifestyle choice, but is tragedy in the truest sense.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-6067014204059100129?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/6067014204059100129/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=6067014204059100129' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/6067014204059100129'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/6067014204059100129'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/08/lets-not-give-up-on-sin.html' title='Let&apos;s Not Give Up on &quot;Sin&quot;'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/RsFXFdflX_I/AAAAAAAAAAc/KnbgWX2KxLw/s72-c/cookbookcover.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-706522436751606332</id><published>2007-06-15T00:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-06-16T00:05:07.218-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Late Night Thoughts on Arcade Fire and Prayer</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b2/250px-Arcade_Fire_on_TIME_Cover.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b2/250px-Arcade_Fire_on_TIME_Cover.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Briefly:  there is a fine line between desperate, honest, yet reverent prayer to God, and the overt disbelief and God-condemning renuncation of God, to his face.  In a way, one might say "fine line? what could be more disparate than a hurting soul crying out to God for relief versus a soul that renunces God?"  Ah, but Psalm 88 proves the line really is fine  - this psalm would be almost unsingable in churches today, even though it was once sung by the ancient faithful without sense of contradiction.  If you haven't read Psalm 88, you might have an overly pretty-ified view of prayer.  Now, Arcade Fire is a band that a lot of Christians are excited about (as well as a lot of non-Christians -- seriously, U2 and David Bowie both have taken the stage with these guys - the latter whose recent album is entitled "Heathen" while the former's lead singer has declared his Christian faith in increasingly overt ways lately).  My question:  is Arcade Fire singing Ps. 88's or are they shrugging off Christianity itself in their lyrics?  Which side of the line are they on?  Maybe others have settled this question, and I see no evidence that Arcade Fire's talented artists make any public Christian claims (which is fine in itself, even if any of them are Christians).  Maybe the answer doesn't matter -- speaking as a true believer, these songs make sense, even if I'm wrongly interpreting them from my side of the line.  Their album "Funeral" is jaw-dropping, and, as one Youtube.com post-er said, "if you dont' cry at this, you are dead inside."  Overstated?  A little, but not by much (though if you're over the age of fifty, I'll let you off the hook for reasons of changing generational aesthetics).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-706522436751606332?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/706522436751606332/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=706522436751606332' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/706522436751606332'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/706522436751606332'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/06/late-night-thoughts-on-arcade-fire-and.html' title='Late Night Thoughts on Arcade Fire and Prayer'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-1491767872959199513</id><published>2007-05-13T21:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-05-13T22:07:00.112-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Micah and Justice</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://catholic-resources.org/Dore/Images/OT-111-small.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://catholic-resources.org/Dore/Images/OT-111-small.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, I've been a fairly unfaithful blogger lately, I'm sorry to say! Let's start things up again with a short and painless entry.  What follows is a pre-press reflection on Micah 6:6-8 that Fuller Theological Seminary asked me to write for their Southern California newsletter.  Faithful Enormous Hippo readers like you will get it first.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Doing Liturgy, Doing Love"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The prophetic injunction in Micah 6:6-8 is exactly the kind of warning one would expect  a highly ordered (scripturally ordered, no less) worshipping community like Israel might need to hear fairly often.  It is as if Micah said, “never let this good, divinely-inspired  liturgy (burnt offerings, calves, rams, oil) replace love (doing “justice” and “mercy”). Christians should not over-read this text as if it were privileging acts of mercy over acts of worship, as if the two were somehow in essential contradiction.  We can imagine some choice words that Micah might have had for an Aaronic priest who heard Micah 6:6-8 and then declared, “Yes, mercy is what matters, not worship!  Until we achieve social justice in Israel, we’re calling off the morning and evening sacrifices, as well as Passover and Pentecost.”  As long as God remains the loving Redeemer of his people, the corporate worship of the people is the obvious, proper, and instinctive response of the redeemed.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the sin crouching at the door is to make the zealousness or regularity of our worship acts into bankable credits that can buy us out of the harder work of loving the unlovely and resisting unjust powers.  It is always easier to sing a hymn than to “do advocacy” or the even harder work of, say, spending an hour caring for an emotionally needy person. The front page of the New York Times yesterday described the resurgence of liberation theology in Brazil , on the eve of Pope Benedict’s visit – the same man who, twenty-five years ago, helped write his church’s official denunciations of the movement.  But in light of Micah’s words, even Protestant/Evangelical-me must admit (with the liberationists) that some engagement with causes of justice is part of my mandate as a follower of a justice loving God, and (with the Pope) that service without a heart that delights in the God who offers a greater “inner liberty” (Ratzinger’s phrase) in Christ is just a different kind of vanity and emptiness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the end, the best way to pursue “justice and mercy” without  eclipsing the worship of the triune God is to look at the cross.  Calvary keeps us from the easy moralism of much activism because it shows us that we ourselves would have been the just target of divine retribution apart from Jesus’ advocacy for us.  And deeds of mercy are now calibrated as responses to a greater cross-shaped mercy we have received, not as abstract works of obedience or mere moral duty.  On the other hand, the cross moves us to worship because it shows us the willing condescension of a God who was eager to give us mercy instead of justice , welcome instead of exile. Pouring out “ten thousand rivers of oil” for such a God would be, even still, too meager an act of worship.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-1491767872959199513?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/1491767872959199513/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=1491767872959199513' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/1491767872959199513'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/1491767872959199513'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/05/micah-and-justice.html' title='Micah and Justice'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-596649585136788078</id><published>2007-01-21T22:35:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T23:06:43.125-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Augustine for 2007</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/RbRndvSHDLI/AAAAAAAAAAM/h8_e0t2valM/s1600-h/augustinus_009.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/RbRndvSHDLI/AAAAAAAAAAM/h8_e0t2valM/s200/augustinus_009.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5022753245031238834" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It makes very little sense for a thirty-seven year old man like myself to commend to you the writings of someone like Augustine of Hippo, as if my endorsement mattered.  But tonight, because I'm riding high on the Sunday-night exuberance of a day well spent, I will.  Apart from Jesus, the biblical prophets and apostles, Augustine is the most influential person in the history of Christian thinking.  Amazingly, such a statement would be largely undisputed, even by his critics, a full 1,500 years after his death.  As all philosophy is footnote to Plato, all theology is said to be a footnote to Augustine.  I just found a few new websites dedicated to Augustine's complete writings and secondary literature about him (www.augustinus.it is one, though most of the site is in Latin or Italian).  Did you know that a current  biliography about this man runs to over 25,000 entries?  If you've never read Augustine's &lt;em&gt;Confessions&lt;/em&gt;, maybe this is the year to check it out.  Arguably, it is the most published book in history other than the Bible, and is instantly enjoyable as an autobiography of a staggeringly smart man who encountered Christ as a great sinner, while in his friend's backyard.  He was never the same after than night (nor was Western Christianity).  The whole Reformation, as some have said, was nothing more than a debate in the mind of Augustine, with his view of grace triumphing over his view of the church.  Grandiose statements aside, the &lt;em&gt;Confessions&lt;/em&gt; is surpisingly intimate and warm.  If you are a Christian, you will easily recognize in this book the voice of a fellow traveler, someone who may have little in common with you culturally, but many things in common spiritually.  No one will blame you for skipping the last couple of chapters on the philosophy of time, etc., but the rest is gold.  It you're a non-Christian, the &lt;em&gt;Confessions&lt;/em&gt; contains an interesting account of how a man with plenty of intellectual ammunition against Christianity in the end found Christ to be more compelling than all his doubts.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-596649585136788078?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/596649585136788078/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=596649585136788078' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/596649585136788078'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/596649585136788078'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/01/augustine-for-2007.html' title='Augustine for 2007'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_up7W4-Vkz9U/RbRndvSHDLI/AAAAAAAAAAM/h8_e0t2valM/s72-c/augustinus_009.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-116911177659277355</id><published>2007-01-17T20:20:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-01-19T00:31:04.893-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Paul vs. the Gnostics:  Who are the Real Environmentalists?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.webhosting.umd.edu/images/globe.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.webhosting.umd.edu/images/globe.gif" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's an interesting quote I happened on in this week's issue of HopeDance, a free newspaper in San Luis Obispo County with a fairly sizable distribution.  It's an excerpt from a book by John Lamb Lash called &lt;em&gt;Not in His Image: Gnostic Vision, Sacred Ecology, and the Future of Belief&lt;/em&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;If the human species is to survive in the near future, it will have to live in Gaia's way, not in the demented, self-centered willfulness to which we are accustomed.  But what do we know, so far, of Gaia's way?  With the eradication of the Mysteries, humanity lost the most important spiritual resources of the Western world...The process that began six thousand years ago, perhaps triggered by a vast climatic catastrophe in North Africa and the Near East, led to monotheistic religion with its suppression of the Goddess, and then, through the transference effectuated by Saint Paul, to the triumph of salvationism as the spiritual paradigm of the Western world...There is no more powerful ideology for oppression than redemptive religion.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realize this is a fairly standard New Age analysis of how Christianity ruined Western culture, but what I appreciate about it (believe it or not) is its attack on the actual doctrine of Paul and Christianity, rather than just a vague stab at cultural Christendom, which has always been somewhat at odds with genuine biblical Christianity. Lash says that Christianity's focus on redemption and salvation makes it a dangerous religion that will ruin the world.  Here, though, is the mistake in this accusation:  Paul's religion was that the kingdom of Jesus Christ would bring in the restoration of the whole cosmos, not just human souls.  In other words, Paul's doctrine of redemption included the redemption of the world, the freeing of even nature from oppression.  In Romans 8:19ff. Paul says, "For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.  For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.  For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.  And not only the creation, but we ourselves..."  &lt;br /&gt;Notice how the inanimate creation experiences its renewal alongside of those persons who also will be renewed by Christ -- their salvation becomes the cosmos' salvation.  Paul's Christianity, therefore, has an extremely exalted view of the environment and its future, and those who follow Paul will not be haphazard in causing decay in very same world that God has said he wants to one day fully restore.  Christian doctrine doesn't take the Gaia route to its positive view of the environment, but it gets there nonetheless.  Of course, Christendom (the society of historical Western culture that has presumably based itself on the Bible) has not always lived consistently with these biblical values.  But its worst blemishes arose when it abandoned Paul and redemptive religion, not because it followed it.  Neither is Paul's teaching a fully formed environmentalism in a modern sense -- but it's still fair to say that texts like Romans 8 lean in the environmentally-conscious direction rather than away from it.  &lt;br /&gt;And here's the real kicker:  if Paul's emphases on the created world were forgotten at times by Western Christendom, it was due to the ongoing influence of Platonic and Gnostic philosophy.  While Gnosticism is diverse, most versions taught that the physical world was the vile creation of the evil Demiurge who was trying to distract humanity from the real God-beyond-creation.   Those under the influece of such a system of doctrine, even when otherwise informed by the Bible, were more likely describe salvation in terms of jettisoning the physical body and this worthless world, and to get on to the ethereal heavenlies.  While such ideas clearly have a home in Gnosticism, they would not have occurred to Paul or the writers of the New Testament who believed that God had made human flesh and the physical universe, and would one day restore both when Christ returns.  So, one of the most natural religious foundations for a positive view of the environment turns out to be Pauline Christianity -- a redemptive, salvific religion, yes, but one that can conceive of the final location of that salvation in other New Testament terms as a "New Heavens and a New Earth."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-116911177659277355?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/116911177659277355/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=116911177659277355' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116911177659277355'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116911177659277355'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/01/paul-vs-gnostics-who-are-real.html' title='Paul vs. the Gnostics:  Who are the Real Environmentalists?'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-116867325863833101</id><published>2007-01-12T22:44:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-01-16T12:39:44.210-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Shouting, "Amen!" with John Knox</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://graffitichurch.org/images/praise.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://graffitichurch.org/images/praise.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of those who occasion this blog come from the Reformed tradition of Christianity, and others, like myself, find our home specifically in Presbyterianism.  To those of you from these "tribes," please take a moment to gird up your loins before reading the next few sentences.  Folks like us are known for doing things "decently and in order" and are sometimes chided by our Christian friends from other traditions for our stiffness in public worship.  Well, it wasn't always so.  Apparently, the practice of parishoners shouting, "Amen!" and other exclamations during the Sunday sermon has its historical roots, of all imaginable places, in Scottish Presbyterianism.  And not in some late manifestion, but during the time of the Reformation itself.  On no less an authority than Diarmaid MacCulloch, author of the magisterial and massive &lt;em&gt;The Reformation&lt;/em&gt;, "Scotland..developed the community drama of the sermon to its height.  It was preceded by the prolonged ringing of the church bells which had once rung the faithful to Mass...Once everyone was in, the doors would be locked.  Scottish congregations might then be encouraged to participate in the sermon-drama, being urged to shout out responses, cries of praise or 'Amen', in the manner that has been inherited by American evangelical Protestantism" (p.586). Honestly, I really thought the "Amen!" "Praise the Lord!" business was the original property of Pentecostals and Charismatics.  Didn't you?  I don't know what might happen if this fact gets out, and I fully expect that a few folks from my own congregation might start pressing their historical rights the first Sunday after they read this.  Well, bless them.  Most Christian liturgy, ours included, is full of congregational responses -- so why not during the sermon?  As somebody once said, "When the Holy Spirit falls on some people, they quiet.  When he falls on others, they get loud." So, as far as I'm concerned, we Presbyterians might be currently runnng an "Amen" deficit, to the degree that might even surprise our own theological and ecclesiologial forebearers.  I've always been encouraged when I hear somebody blurt one out, however timidly.  Knowing we've also got John Knox nodding in approval is a welcomed twist of church history that I, honestly, never saw coming.  Amen, indeed.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-116867325863833101?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/116867325863833101/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=116867325863833101' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116867325863833101'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116867325863833101'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2007/01/shouting-amen-with-john-knox.html' title='Shouting, &quot;Amen!&quot; with John Knox'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-116737928975612150</id><published>2006-12-28T22:21:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-01-12T21:04:13.236-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Scandal in SLO:  The Outing of a Journalist Who Believes</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.aan.org/binary/64d70f1a/slont.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.aan.org/binary/64d70f1a/slont.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of my interest in the intersection of religion and public life got a lot less theoretical this month when a local radio host blasted my good friend, Ryan Miller, editor of the New Times, a widely read alternative newsweekly here in San Luis Obispo.  Ryan was taken to the cleaners for his supposed mixing of his faith with his journalism and, because he has been publically seen with me, a confirmed, fully-outed, religious guy (see below).  &lt;br /&gt;Congalton has long had the biggest radio audience in the county, and is a major opinion-shaper.  Ryan is a Christian (a member of my church, actually), and recently took the helm of the second largest paper in town.  One of Ryan's editorial strengths is his general unwilingness to publish "hit pieces," stories that do not allow a person who is criticized to give his or her own response to other's charges.  While this would seem to be just journalistic fair-play, many alternative weeklys avoid such scruples.  While this certainly gives such papers scintillating content, it usually comes at the expense of fairness.  As Ryan once explained it to me, in some alternative newspapers, in any hypothetical story that might discuss a dispute between a landord and a tenant, the landlord will always be the bad guy, and the tenant will always be painted as unfairly oppressed.  But Ryan, who says he learned this lesson directly from Steve Moss, New Times' revered founder, assumes that sometimes the tenants might actually be the bad guys, and if so, the story should be written that way.  &lt;br /&gt;So, both Steve Moss and Ryan Miller have had this thing about fairness, and believed (Moss has since died) that it is more important for a paper to be fair than to make a story scintillating.  I didn't know Steve Moss, and so I don't know where his ideas about fairness found their ultimate grounding, but for Ryan, a Christian, values like fairness, honesty, and thoroughness flow, quite naturally, from his religious convictions.  So here's the question:  if Ryan's journalistic ethics flow from his specifically Christian faith, is he Christianizing the New Times by operating with those ethics?  Is he (rightly or wrongly) making the paper into an Evangelical rag by doing so?  Dave Congalton thinks so.  Here's what he said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sunday, December 17, 2006&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;New Times Gets Religion&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suspect some dramatic editorial changes are underway at what has been the Alternative Paper of Record in this community for 20 years. New Times has had a pretty rocky period these last 18 months, starting with the sad death of founder Steve Moss, the uncertainty surrounding possible new owners, the whole controversy involving the meth story, the departure of King Harris as Managing Editor, declining circulation, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now it seems there is a staff revolt simmering under the surface and it just may boil over in the next few weeks as key members of the newsroom decide to move on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem seems to be twofold. First, publisher Bob Rucker wants New Times to be more upbeat, softer in tone and less controversial, a vision shared by Ryan Miller, the wet-behind-the-ears editor who is still finding his editorial voice with the paper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently the voice Ryan is listening to most belongs to God. No kidding. A devout Christian, Miller is apparently being guided by a higher authority in putting out the newspaper week after week. Stories alleging a serial rapist on the loose in San Luis Obispo and reports of major FEMA violations by Atascadero are being scrapped in favor of this Thursday's cover story . . . .wait for it . . . . .A COMPARISON BETWEEN 'THE NATIVITY STORY" AND "PASSION OF THE CHRIST."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not kidding! That's the cover story scheduled for this week by the weekly alternative paper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Look, I believe in religious tolerance and support the right of anyone to follow the god of their choice -- or not. But leave it at the door, pal. Ryan apparently has trouble doing that, often openly consulting his pastor for advice in running the newspaper.  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are a few points of fact I'd dispute about this story, such as my role as Ryan's consultant, the main thrust of the cover-story he mentions, Ryan's level of experience (five years editing the Santa Maria Sun), etc.  But the main question is this:  while Congalton believes in "religious tolerance", does that include tolerance for religions (such as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, to name a few) that cannot be "left at the door" without denying their central precepts?  Most religions advocate a non-compartmentalized life, that is, to purposefully ignore their teachings when you go to work would really be to fundamentally deny the religion.  To say to a religious person, "I tolerate you as long as you don't act religious from 9 to 5" is not really tolerance.  This is not to say that Congalton or anyone should tolerate every religious impulse a person might have.  If a newspaper editor said, "My religion requires me to sacrifice one of my reporters every day at noon before a statue of Molech," or, "my religion requires me to maliciously misquote all politicians," then well, it's probably OK not to tolerate the practice of that religion in a newspaper editor while he's on the job.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I'd make the case that we ought to be more tolerant than Congalton, but not tolerant of every form of religion that someone might want to practice in the workplace.  Just how much tolerance is the right amount?  That's a hard question, but shouldn't we at least say that an editor like Ryan Miller should be allowed to follow his religiously grounded ethics, especially when those ethics match up to commonly agreed upon journalistic standards that others might hold to because of a different fundamental philosophy? Remember, Miller and Moss agreed on their ethics, though would probably describe their ultimate reasons for such beliefs differently.  This doesn't completely solve the tough question about the proper place of religious reasoning in a religiously pluralistic society, but it should be enough to show that telling someone to leave his Christianity at the door is not necessary or desirable, nor a mark of the kind of tolerance that we're all hoping to achieve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's how I responded to Dave Congalton, and then his words back to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;I'm the pastor of the church that Ryan attends -- I'm not sure who your sources were, Dave, but since Ryan took the helm at the New Times, I've never met with him to talk about the paper. We used to meet for lunch when he edited the Santa Maria Sun, and occassionally we'd talk about his work, but to call it a "consulting" relationship would be more than a stretch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even still, the requirement that someone like Ryan leave his faith "at the door" is easily overplayed. While I can understand your concern that a newspaper editor might covertly import his religious beliefs in illegitimate ways, there are many ways that one's ultimate beliefs can increase the quality of work, especially in a field like journalism. If someone's religous beliefs ground his convictions about justice, truth-telling, honesty, etc., -- all of which are New Testament values as well as journalistic values, I'm sure we'd all hope those are not jettisoned merely because they were born out of religious conviction. In fact, unless we were to ask all newspaper editors to only ground the ethics that we expect of them in a specifically a-religious philosophical pragmatism, we need to allow that privatley held religious beliefs can properly inform public ethics. Of course, there are plenty of examples of misappropriation of religious beliefs in the public square -- no argument there -- but there's not much evidence that Ryan has done so, Christmas cover-story notwithstanding. In fact, here's one piece of counter-evidence that the New Times is some kind of vehicle for softy Christian sappiness (something I loathe myself): earlier this month we saw an opinion piece making fun of heterosexual soccer moms and the downtown Christmas parade. At least two f-bombs were dropped in the process. Whatever changes Ryan has brought, he's certainly not forcing his staff to get religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To Brian Kay,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though we are honored to have a pastor join the discussion on the blog, I stand by what I wrote originally and have taken it a step further in a new posting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;New Times is going soft, backing away from investigative reporting, playing up arts and events coverage. More and more religion will creep into these pages because of Ryan.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, well.  At least we got the conversation started.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-116737928975612150?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/116737928975612150/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=116737928975612150' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116737928975612150'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116737928975612150'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/12/scandal-in-slo-outing-of-journalist.html' title='Scandal in SLO:  The Outing of a Journalist Who Believes'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-116694994607334744</id><published>2006-12-23T23:27:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-27T23:03:01.896-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Jansenists:  Reformed and Roman Catholic?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.canadianshakespeares.ca/multimedia/imagegallery/images/jansen_000.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.canadianshakespeares.ca/multimedia/imagegallery/images/jansen_000.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm biting off more than I can chew with this post, since it's about time for bed, on a Saturday night no less, and Jansenism has a complex history that I'm just getting my head around.  Let's suffice it to say that in the mid-1600's a Roman Catholic movement developed based on the ideas of a Dutch bishop named Cornelius Jansen (1585-1638).  After reading a ton of St. Augustine, Jansen came to believe that the Roman Catholic Church, and espeicially the Jesuits who were so active in his own day, had departed from the radical nature of grace and sin for which Augustine had argued against Pelagius.  By ditching Augustine and instead following the ideas of Molina, the Jesuits had functionally become semi-Pelagian:  fallen humanity was only sick in sin, not dead, and that by cooperating with a dose of God's grace, we can cooperate in our eventual acceptance by God.  Jansen's seminal work, the &lt;em&gt;Augustinus&lt;/em&gt; rapidly spread through Holland,Belgium, and France, and was actually endorsed by ten professors at the Sorbonne in Paris, the old bastion of Catholic orthodoxy.  The party didn't last long.  Pope Innocent X, after thirty-six long discussions with advocates and detractors, over two years, finally condemned five representative statemements from the &lt;em&gt;Augustinus&lt;/em&gt; in 1653.  But here's my point:  look at the five condemned statements and notice how close they were to the Reformed views on the same topics.  Here are the five condemned statements as they appear in the somewhat clunky wording of the old Catholic Encylcopedia (newadvent.org).  Following that are my five, easier-to-read versions of the same points:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Some of God's commandments are impossible to just men who wish and strive (to keep them) considermg the powers they actually have, the grace by which these precepts may become possible is also wanting;&lt;br /&gt;2. In the state of fallen nature no one ever resists interior grace;&lt;br /&gt;3. To merit, or demerit, in the state of fallen nature we must be free from all external constraint, but not from interior necessity,&lt;br /&gt;4. The Semipelagians admitted the necessity of interior preventing grace for all acts, even for the beginning of faith; but they fell into heresy in pretending that this grace is such that man may either follow or resist it;&lt;br /&gt;5. To say that Christ died or shed His blood for all men, is Semipelagianism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, to put this in updated and slightly expanded language:&lt;br /&gt;1.  No one can follow all of God's laws, no matter how hard they strive, for no one now has the moral power to do so.  God does not even grant this power to everyone.&lt;br /&gt;2.  An unregenerate person can only be saved by an irresistible act of God's grace.&lt;br /&gt;3.  The idea of an unregenerate person eventually "choosing" God is not a contradiction of God's irresistible grace that ennables such a choice.  This irresistible grace does not externally constrain the will, but ennables it, from the inside, to really be free.&lt;br /&gt;4. Semipelagians admitted that ennabling grace was necessary, but fell into heresy when they said such grace must be cooperated with by a non-ennabled choice of the free will.&lt;br /&gt;5.  To say that Christ atoned for all people's sins is Semipelagian, because, since all people are not finally saved by God, then they must have resisted what is merely an open offer of his grace.&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;If this reminds anyone of the classically Protestant Canons of Dort, also completed in Holland a few decades earlier, you couldn't be blamed!  To me, this is an amazing example of how some within the Roman Catholic Church were able to advocate for, at least for a few years, a return to Augustinian (dare I say, Pauline!) views about sin and grace, and with several highly-situated advocates.  To bad Jansen's views were outlawed-- they probably wouldn't have been as controversial three-hundred years earlier, but the Reformatin/Counter-Reformation lines were drawn pretty firmly by the 1650's.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-116694994607334744?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/116694994607334744/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=116694994607334744' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116694994607334744'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116694994607334744'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/12/jansenists-reformed-and-roman-catholic.html' title='Jansenists:  Reformed and Roman Catholic?'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-116631955941480008</id><published>2006-12-16T16:35:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-18T21:22:18.513-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Some Thoughts on Bart Ehrman</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/0/9780060859510.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.harpercollins.com/harperimages/isbn/large/0/9780060859510.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've had a few thoughts bubbling since Bart Ehrman released his book, &lt;em&gt;Misquoting Jesus&lt;/em&gt;, last year.  After hearing an interview on Fresh Air with Terry Gross I finally thought I'd better write them down, and now, at last, post them here.  Ehrman teaches New Testament at the University of North Carolina, is an ex-Evangelical, and, overall, makes the case that our present English Bibles cover-up hopelessly contradictory stories about Jesus in the existing Greek manuscripts.  Here are a couple of his summary thoughts, mosty from the NPR interview, and some of my responses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ehrman says that the story in John 8 of the woman caught in adultery is only attested by late manuscripts, and thus is not likely original to John's own composition.  This example functions as kind of a &lt;em&gt;locus classicus&lt;/em&gt; for Ehrman's overall point that our English Bible, which contains this story, is fraught with arbitrary privileging of one text's reading over other ancient manuscripts that might have a contradictory reading.  I.e. the presence of the woman caught in adultery story in most English Bible's proves that Jesus must be routinely "misquoted" in the N.T.&lt;br /&gt;Problem:  Ehrman is right that this story from John 8 is very unstable, but most English translations alert the reader to this fact in a footnote, so the instability of this partiuclar story is very transparent to the reader.  More problematically, Ehrman implies by this example that all or many other stories is the New Testament are as equally instable as John 8.  But there is no such textual instability for the vast majority of N.T. stories.  That is, John 8 is not generally representative or an example of a coomon problem, it is, rather, an extreme outlier on the spectrum of textual stability (the only other comparable example might be the long ending of Mark's Gospel).  To leverage John 8 to make a general point about widespread and damning textual discrepancies is like pointing to someone's hangnail and saying, "See, I told you he was dying."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ehrman also says, "If the original text is authoritative, we have a problem, because we don't have the original text."  By this, Ehrman is trying undercut the basis for the orthodox Christian claim that the Bible is our ultimate authority, since God inspired the apostles to write what they wrote.  Ehrman is saying that if we don't even possess their original manuscripts, and if the manuscipts we do have contradict each other, then there's no sense pointing at any current Bible verse and saying, "This is God's authoritative word."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few thoughts:&lt;br /&gt;1. Not having the original manuscripts does not mean we have a substantial disconnect from the original in the texts that we do have.  Like I've said above, this would be the mistake of concluding that the presence of a few conflciting texts, or even the presence of many insignificant variances between texts (i.e. those that have little impact on the final meaning of a verse) means that the original N.T. is basically unrecoverable or it's meaning basically obscure.  Of course, if I had it my way we'd have access to the original manuscripts, but, failing that, what we do have is pretty good, even considering the text variances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Ehrman seems to act as if textual criticism, the task of determining which of the two or more conflicting readings most likely represents the original, is a task unknown to orthdox Christians, or that they somehow turn a blind eye to how textual criticism makes their submission to scritpure as God's Word unreasonable or naive.  But everyone have always known we don't have the original manuscripts.  Apart from the King-James-Only crowd who believes that God surpernaturally inspired the 17th century English translators to make a newly inerrant Bible, Christians have always had to do the hard, disciplined, principled work (science? art?) of text criticism, that is,  determining which of a number of contradictory readings might be closest to the original.  This is not arbitrary or hopeless work, it has a fairy established and uncontroversial methodology, and most conclusions that text critics make are quite defensible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  In short, Ehrman overplays (a) the number of scribal changes, (b) the significance of the changes - i.e. even the variant texts have very little doctrinal signficance, (c) the final overall judgment against the N.T.'s stability, which is far greater that any other ancient text that I know of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.  A final word on the definsibility of recognizing the  present N.T. as divinely authoritative:  Even though a text like the English Bible has the possibility, even liklihood, of some minor textual or translation errors, it makes sense for people who believe that the original N.T. was God's authoritative word to treat our present N.T. texts authoritatively as well (more particulalry, it is a good critical text like the Nestle-Aland 27th edition that is the safest to treat authoritatively, since it is the product of lot of careful textual criticism).  Until counter-evidence appears that might cause us to ammend our text (and the end of Jn.8 should probably be deemed non-authoritative for this very reason), it is intellectually defesible to treat the N.T. as if the apostles and their associates really wrote it.  In other words, if my secretary left me a note saying, "Your wife called to ask you to pick up three tomatoes on the way home," I might name many reasons why the note might not be letter-accurate to my wife's original words (maybe my secretary wasn't listening closely, maybe she accidentally wrote "three" instead of "two", etc.) but I would not be wrong to treat the note "authoriatively" even with those possibilities facing me, in fact, it would be more unreasonable and risky not to act on it and come home empty-handed, pleading "how could I have been sure?" No, treating a text with authority does not require claiming infallibility of the present text nor even our own interpretation of it.  That's just the way texts work, and the Bible, in this regard, is not so different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ehrman has defeated the King James Only folks with his observations, but not really any historically mainstream view of Christian scripture, and not even that of conseravtive mainstream American Evangelicalism.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-116631955941480008?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/116631955941480008/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=116631955941480008' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116631955941480008'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/116631955941480008'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/12/some-thoughts-on-bart-ehrman.html' title='Some Thoughts on Bart Ehrman'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115705170197218112</id><published>2006-08-31T10:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-09-02T17:13:24.296-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Conservative and Liberal Radio Isn't Good for You</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.greenworks.tv/radio/images/homemics.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.greenworks.tv/radio/images/homemics.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could have called this post "The Hermeneutics of Political Radio," but that might have sounded pretentious -- my point, however, really does relate to how certain political discourse interprets facts in the world.  This morning during breakfast I was listening to the left-wing Air America radio network.  Al Franken was away and two commentators were sitting in for him.  As the hosts weighed-in on many recent events, one uniting theme soon became apparent, "George Bush and people who like him are only evil and dumb, all of the time."  Which is to say, today's uniting theme on Air America was the same as yesterday's, and the day before.  If a Republican were to do something apparently commendable, the interpretation of that event would fall into one or more of the following categories: (1) "Yes, but the commendable act was a publicity stunt, his heart wasn't really in it as we can clearly see by his past actions." (2) "It's about time he did something commendable, but this won't take away from the greater damage of his past actions.  How dare he think this one act redeems him?" (3) "Victory for us!  Our side exerted enough pressure to get him to do the right thing!  So really, we're the ones to thank." (4) "Hey -- commendable acts like that were invented and perfected by OUR side - now HE'S trying to take credit?"  (5) "OK, this was a commendable act -- but the exception proves the rule!  The stark contrast between this act and the normal way our opponents conduct themselves highlights how generally uncommendable they are."  The driving interpretive grid is this:  whatever the event might be, it proves that "Republicans and what they do are always bad."  Conservative radio operates by the same rules: all facts, all news stories, one way or another, prove the absurdity and villainy of liberals.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's wrong with these kind of intepretive systems?  Most philosphers and theologians recognize that we all operate with complex cognitive grids through which we pass all of our experiences.  This is necessary so that we can quickly categorize what is happening around us, make decisions, etc.  We can't avoid having presuppositions, even biases -- in fact, we'd be immobilized without them.  Sometimes this is called the "hermeneutical spiral" - the proper, gentle circularity with which our presuppositions help us make sense of the facts, while the facts also shape our presuppositions.  However,  our ability to arrive at the truth is endangered when our presuppositions cannot themselves be corrected by the new discoveries, nor admit exceptions to general rules.   A kind of craziness results when the hermeneutical spiral is interupted is this way, when our interpretive grid cannot be challenged by any number of contrary experiences, and so, our minds become shut off from the possibility of knowledge of certain things.  For example:  "Are all Democratic party leaders evil secularists?" ("Yes!") "But Democratic senator Barak Obama admits that his party is too secular and should allow more religious language in public policy debates - surely he is not an evil secularist." ("Wrong! We know he's an evil secularist because he's a Democrat.")  Philosophers also call this "begging the question" -- using your conclusion as evidence for your conclusion.   This is not to say that, for the sake of argument, the basic Democratic interpretation of the world is more correct than the basic Republican world view.  Nor is it to say that one could not, with intellectual honesty, host a radio show that discusses national events from the vantage point of one such political perspective.  Rather, the test of political craziness might be to ask, "Have my opponents ever gotten it right? If not, might they sometimes have at least meant to get it right?  Can I speak for more than sixty seconds about an area of commonality bewteen us?"  The most successul politicians (and people) are able to build on commonalities, give credit where credit is due, admit past mistakes in their own belief or action, find ways to work with opponents, etc., all without going soft on their own convictions, goals, and general presuppositions about reality.  The radio shows, by contrast, tend to enforce interpretive grids that are actually, on these terms, crazy, because all facts, all the time, prove the host's grand narrative to be true:  on all counts we are morally good and epistmemically right, and they are morally bad and epistemically wrong.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible has another word for this state: blindness - the morally blameworthy state of making yourself unable to see relative value in others or faults in yourself.  Christianity says that the reason we are drawn to such totalizing political visions is a problem with our hearts:  we desperately want to see ourselves as good and respectable, and the easiest way to do this is to find an opponent who is always wrong, always morally corrupt, always so much worse than we are.  Like a drowning person, we elevate ourselves by pushing the other guy under water.  My own faults are made so much smaller in the face of the heinous faults of the opponent.  For example: "They're blaming our guy for X?  Well, X might have been a mistake, but their guy did Y!  How can you blame us for one instance X when they do Y all the time?" And, while, Y may really be much worse than X, X is still wrong and, morally speaking, requires an unqualified apology.  Being a Christian, among other things, involves actually believing that on your best day you are a moral and epistemic mixed-bag.  Put differently, it means saying that apart from all the legitimate good you may have done in a given day, you have so fallen short of God's perfection that your sins required the death of Christ to atone for them.  Those who really believe they have need of Christ to cover their daily sins are moving toward the cure for all kinds of blindness, including political blindness.  Such people may still have a specific political vision, yet they won't be able to speak or act morally superior to everyone who disagrees with that some part of that vision.  They'll make a case for their interpratation of the truth, but will less likely do so with words or a tone that suggests only idiots would disagree.  They'll see sinners on both sides of the isle, and will include themselves in that number.  Their need to see their oppenent as thoroughly dumb or evil will be diminished because they have already admitted to their own intellectual and moral failings:  as Christians they believe God alone is all-knowing, not them, and he has moved to forgive them from their own failures through the sacrifice of Christ for them.  Such people, when acting consistently with their beliefs, won't spend much energy drawing attention to their intelletual or moral OK-ness, nor, espectially, will they they need to push others down in order to lift themselves up.  In a sense, Christ has already allowed himself to drown in order to bear them up.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, all of these thougths about politics apply to the politics within our families, our churches, our schools.  Common sense can keep us from some of the crazy politics we may be tempted to engage in, but the gospel is the most intellectually sound and spiritually powerful cure.  Only it addresses the real heart of crazy politics, the compelling idol that we always get our way and that we be seen by God and others as right and respectable.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115705170197218112?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115705170197218112/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115705170197218112' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115705170197218112'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115705170197218112'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/08/why-conservative-and-liberal-radio.html' title='Why Conservative and Liberal Radio Isn&apos;t Good for You'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115439307873110926</id><published>2006-07-31T17:02:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-08-23T10:46:59.416-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Vancouver the Great</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.kitebytes.com/images/kiteboarding-downtown-vancouver.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.kitebytes.com/images/kiteboarding-downtown-vancouver.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm writing today from Vancouver, British Colombia, where my family and I are taking a week to relax and audit a theology class from Jeremy Begbie at Regent College (one of my favorite places in the world).  At the moment, I'm looking out over the city from our 22nd floor hotel room.  This week hosts Vancouver's international fireworks competition, so every other night or so everyone heads out to the beaches and watches different nations compete for the best display.  Does any other city in the world so effortlessly blend urban style with the majesty of ancient forests and surging, crystal rivers?  I almost did my M.Div. here instead of Gordon-Conwell, but changed my mind because, among other reasons, I was afraid I'd love British Colombia too much by the time I was forced to leave the country upon graduating.  My wife has never been to Regent College or Vancouver, so I'm in show-off mode.  Tomorrow we'll do tea at Stanley Park, then probably rent bikes and explore the forest.  I'd say this place is most like a big-city version of a Europeanized Yosemite, if that makes any sense.  And watching the sun start to set (it won't fully go down until 10:00 p.m.), over the blue English Bay, wild forests rising up beyond the skyline to the north, it makes plenty of sense to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Strangely, I'm sitting here waiting for J.I. Packer to call me back.  I never thought I'd write that sentence before today.  He's (maybe) doing the foreward to a book I'm putting out next year, and thought I'd use that as my excuse to try to drop in on him at the college and introduce myself.  One of the Regent staffers who nearly forced me to call him at home laughed at how Packer-fans sometimes show up and take pictures of themselves in front of his house.  Check out his new book, &lt;em&gt;Prayer: Finding Our Way Through Duty to Delight&lt;/em&gt; (co-written by Carolyn Nystrom, who groomed some of his lectures).  Packer is best known for the tremendous &lt;em&gt;Knowing God&lt;/em&gt; but has continued a steady output now into his eighties.  Another classic is &lt;em&gt;Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God&lt;/em&gt; which shows why a high view of divine sovereignty in salvation (that God chooses us before we choose him) is perfectly compatible with the practice of sharing our faith with others.  Last month Packer gave a lecture here at Regent where he claimed that best the label for his career-calling would be "catechist" (agreeing with Alister McGrath's dubbing him as such in his biography of Packer).  That is, he takes historic Christian orthodoxy and makes it accessible to everyone.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More on the Regent College trip later.  Tomorrow, my wife and I and about six others will have tea with George Marsden, who wrote the great new (and really, the definitive) biography of Jonathan Edwards.  Quite a treat, indeed.  I'll write more about the Jeremby Begbie class later, but now, back to vacationing...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115439307873110926?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115439307873110926/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115439307873110926' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115439307873110926'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115439307873110926'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/07/vancouver-great.html' title='Vancouver the Great'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115351086142248591</id><published>2006-07-21T11:49:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-07-22T23:55:39.020-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Univocity vs. Analogy vs. Equivocity</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.danishchurch.vancouver.bc.ca/OldBible.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.danishchurch.vancouver.bc.ca/OldBible.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the title of this entry didn't stop you from reading further, especially in the middle of a hot summer, you must be a real theologian.  Here's the issue:  when the Bible attributes certain characteristics to God, how are to we to understand the relationship between those attributes and God himself?  Or, how does Biblical language &lt;em&gt;work&lt;/em&gt;?  More simply, if the Bible says that God "changed his mind" or is "fuming in anger" or "feels betrayed", we have three main interpretive options.  "Univocity" means that such words when applied to God mean the same thing ("one voice") that they do when applied to us.  Lately some controversial evangelical theologicans have taken the univocal approach in order to say that when God "changed his mind" (in a few places in Scripture) that he did so in the same way and for the same reasons that we change our mind:  new data that we hadn't forseen comes into view, and so, we adjust ourselves.  So, God changed his mind about destroying Israel in the desert because Moses helped him see reality in a new way.  You can see the problems that univocity gets you into!  But many fundamentalists use the univocity view to justify extremely literalistic readings that discount metaphor, allegory, etc.  On the other extreme, equivocity is the route of hyper-skepticism and postmodernity, which often suggets that God is so ultra-transcendant and unknowable that the Biblical language itself can't tell us anything very reliable about God.  Human language for God, including scriptural language, is a form of our reaching up and trying to explain our religious feelings and experiences.  Of course, this view would deny that Biblical claims about God are themselves revealed by God.  &lt;br /&gt;     The best way out of the dead-ends of univocity and equivocity is analogy.  To say that God felt "betrayed" in an analogical sense means that our experience of being betrayed is both similar and somehow different than God's experience.  In common with God, we would experience betrayal when someone who promised us love ended up witholding it from us.  Different, however, is that God is never dominated or overwhelmed by his feelings, he is never taken off guard by a betraying act, he somehow also uses the other's betrayal for a better end he had in mind, amongst other diferences that we can't even name because we don't fully understand God given our finitude.  The analogical view says that the differences in language usage between how a word applies to God and how it applies to us does not cancel the communicative, revelatory value of such a word:  when God says "I felt betrayed" he is communicating something real about himself, and enough for us to know him deeper by him tellling us so.  God gives us biblical descriptions of himself to deepen our love and worship of him, but not as a way of building a univocal and exhaustively metaphysical model of his nature.  As the Reformers said, we never know God fully as he is in himself.  So, did God change his mind that day with Moses in the desert?  Yes and no.  He halted one plan and embarked on another (like we might do), but he foreknew this reversal and was teaching Moses something about intercession (unlike what we could do).  Respecting the principle of analogy helps us avoid a lot of bizarre theological claims that we might be able to "prooftext," but that really misuse the text (usually in the direction of univocity).  &lt;br /&gt;     If you made it this far, I think you've earned your beach read.  In fact, I'm off to the pool myself...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115351086142248591?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115351086142248591/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115351086142248591' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115351086142248591'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115351086142248591'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/07/univocity-vs-analogy-vs-equivocity.html' title='Univocity vs. Analogy vs. Equivocity'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115294892572752792</id><published>2006-07-14T23:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-07-17T07:22:36.046-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Psalms and Concurrent Operation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.tanzaniaparks.com/images/tarangire/large/010-Thirsty%20lions.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.tanzaniaparks.com/images/tarangire/large/010-Thirsty%20lions.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Concurrent operation" is the theological idea that every event that comes to pass in our world, apart from its natural cause, is simultaneously and fully the operation of God.  For example, when it rains, it is proper to say, "God gave us this rain" as well as "a rising warm air system has collided with a sinking cold air system."  God is the first cause, but both the divine cause and the natural cause are real, and operate concurrently, not in competition.  This is not just a theological axiom, but a fundamental for the spiritual life.  In other words, the more you believe in concurrent operation, the more you: 1) thank God for every good thing that happens; 2) trust that God is up to something valuable when bad things happen; 3) pray for all kinds of things, knowing that all events, however mundane or momentous, are under his control.  &lt;br /&gt;     As for prayer and concurrent operation, I've been noticing lately how much the Psalmist glorifies God for his work in the normal operation of the world.  In the case of the animal kingdom, notice: Ps. 29:9, "the voice of the LORD makes the deer give birth"; Ps. 104:21 "the young lions roar for their prey, seeking their food from God"; Ps.104:27ff. "these [animals] all look to you, to give them their food in due season.  When you give it to them, they gather it up; when you open your hand, they are filled with good things.  When you hide your face, they are dismayed; when you take away their breath, they die and return to their dust.  When you send forth your breath, they are created."  So, in addition to what National Geographic has taught us, lions also can be said to look for their food and receive it from God, they are dismayed or happy depending on what God provides them, they die when God determines, and are born when he breathes new life into a cub.  Perhaps a culture as scientifically advanced as ours needs to be re-convinced of the dotrine of concurrent operation the same way the Psalmist was -- if we were, instead of letting God get sqeezed-out with our advances in knowledge, we'd just find more things to praise God for..." when you give them the word, O Lord,  the chromosomes divide, the stem cells commit to be a particular tissue, the electrons spin and never collide..." Or as Gerard Manley Hopkins reminds us, "The world is charged with the grandeur of God...Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs - Because the Holy Ghost over the bent world broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115294892572752792?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115294892572752792/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115294892572752792' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115294892572752792'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115294892572752792'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/07/psalms-and-concurrent-operation.html' title='Psalms and Concurrent Operation'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115249791780368169</id><published>2006-07-09T17:37:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-07-09T19:20:40.170-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Hard Road Out of Cultural Captivity</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/contours/1.2/images/devisch1b.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/contours/1.2/images/devisch1b.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the comments on my last post brings up a truism about Chrisitanity wherever it flourishes:  cultural captivity will never be fully escaped, even by the church.  Tim V. mentioned that while Africa's current orthodoxy is marked by a traditional (and proper) resistance to homosexuality, it is, at least where Tim lived, less stalwart about the orthodox view of marital celibacy.  Ouch.  That is, while the church might be unanimous that homosexuality is wrong, it is less unanimous in its belief that husbands should be monogamous.  The statistics of African church growth could be embarrasingly compared to the equally dramatic rise in AIDS, suggesting that while many folks are converting to Christ, many are also sleeping around. &lt;br /&gt;Should this surprise us or cause us to doubt the authenticity of the African revival of the last thirty years?  No.  The church, even when it is flourishing, always exists within broader cultures.  And, since cultures are made up of humans, and humans are sinfully fallen, the church will likely always have sin-patterns of the same variety as their surrounding fallen cultures.  Amercan churches will tend to have more sinfully materialistic members than churches in poorer countries, while Christians in, say, Asian cultures, will be more likely to over-venerate their ancestors, and male Christians of other cultures will have a higher rate of marital infidelity.  While Christianity is counter-cultural in many ways since it is about the erecting of a new kingdom with new values, it takes generations (sometimes) for certain cultural sins to be purged from the believing community.  The power of culture is that it slowly, surely, makes us blind to certain moral categories that, were we really objective, we'd see the Bible clearly opposes.  As much as we'd like it be different, real Christians sin in culturally predictable ways. &lt;br /&gt;This is worth mentioning because one of common reasons people reject the Christian gospel is that they perceive hypocrisy or lifestyle failure in Chrisitans they meet as a deal-breaker.  The underlying assumption is that followers of Christ will be fairly sinless, and if they aren't, then they are either frauds or the Christian message itself is to blame.  But even Christian people are not quickly or ever thoroughly freed from the false values they are surrounded by.  Often it takes a Christian from the perspective of a different culture to diagonse the ways we have capitulated to our own. East Indian evangelist K.P. Yohannan reports visiting a 3,000 member church in the United States and being shocked to find only two or three in attendance at their weekly prayer-meeting.  Does the prayerlessness of that church mean that that it, or that Chrisitanity, is a sham?  No, it means that 3,000 self-suffficient Western Christians need to go back and read the Bible more closely where it speaks about prayer, and be glad for the kind rebuke of an Indian brother.  One of the reasons that it's good to have multi-national church dialogue is that we can help each other to take off the cultural blinders that we often don't know we're wearing.  As Jesus said, the wheat and the tares of his kingdom will grow up together, and only finally sorted out at his return.  The Lord of his church knows that it will always be impure, until he comes to fully purify it.  Until then, authentic-yet-fallen churches need to keep helping each other to be better cultural critics of their own surroundings.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115249791780368169?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115249791780368169/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115249791780368169' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115249791780368169'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115249791780368169'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/07/hard-road-out-of-cultural-captivity.html' title='The Hard Road Out of Cultural Captivity'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115199837775771012</id><published>2006-07-03T23:29:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-07-06T20:40:38.900-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Global South Christians Take the Lead</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40462000/jpg/_40462263_bishops203ok.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40462000/jpg/_40462263_bishops203ok.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few years ago we used to hear anecdotes that the geographic center of world Christianity was Timbuktu, Africa.  Sometime later, in November of 2003 to be exact, Peter Jenkins wrote a cover story for the &lt;em&gt;Atlantic Monthly&lt;/em&gt; called "The Next Christianity," citing a lot more statistics to make the same point:  increasingly, Christianity is a Southern Hemisphere religion.  The church is growing wildly in Africa and South-East Asia, while sputtering in Europe (old news) and plateauing in North America.  Nothing will illustrate this global shift more plainly than what is going on today in world Anglicanism.  Of the 73 million Anglicans in the world, the majority live in Africa.  The Nigerian church alone sees more worshippers on Sunday than all of England.  While the African church owes its existence to colonial-era missionaries from Britain (primarily), the African church is now taking to task its Western brethren in England and the U.S.A. for failure to hold to the teachings it had first learned from them.  And, because of the global shift, the West is forced to listen.  As you may know, the 2003 confirmation of Gene Robinson as the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church (USA) began a chain reaction of dissent among the few remaining orthodox Episcopal churches in America, and the African (and South American) bishops heard their cry.  So began a new phenomena in world Anglicanism:  individual American congregations began to secede from the oversight of their own American bishops and ask to be reassigned under a third-world bishop.  The Anglican bishops of Rwanda and Uganda now both have several American churches under their authority.  In fact, one of my old seminary buddies, Bill Haley, was ordained in February to begin an Episcopal church in Washington, D.C., but his ordination was by the Anglican bishop of Bolivia!  Last week, the Most Rev. Peter Aquinola, who heads the Primates of the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa (CAPA) published an "Open Letter from Global South Anglican Leaders to the Episcopal Church USA" to say, in effect, "you Americans have broken with the faith you once taught us -- so we're moving on without you."  (To be fair, the ordination of a homosexual bishop is really the last straw after decades of creeping unorthodoxy in the American church.) CAPA will meet in September to make a final decision about what to do about their formal ties with what they perceive as the rogue American church, but whatever they decide will really be the global Anglican response to a pipsqueak American branch of the world Anglican movement (and the American church loses abot 50,000 members a year).  Of course, the Archbishop of Canterbury still has unofficial "first among equals" status among Anglican leaders, but for sheer reasons of size, the Africans are the heavies of global Anglicanism.  And because of that fact, thankfully, global Anglicanism is largely an orthodox, biblical, movement.  I predict we'll see a rise in African ruled American churches as the likes of Peter Aquinola increasingly see America as spiritually destitute region of the world that is in need of the gospel, and many, many missionaries.  What a reversal, huh?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115199837775771012?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115199837775771012/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115199837775771012' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115199837775771012'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115199837775771012'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/07/global-south-christians-take-lead.html' title='Global South Christians Take the Lead'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115146277734805768</id><published>2006-06-27T18:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-28T10:22:50.080-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Renaming God?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cranach/trinity.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cranach/trinity.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Summer is a time for annual denominational conventions, and, because of the occasional absurdity of what those conventions are debating, it is a time for loads of media coverage of American Christianity.  Not the least interesting of these stories was last week's revelation that the Presbyterian Church (USA) received a policy paper recommending that the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" be allowably replaced with "Mother, Child, and Womb" as a way to refer to the triune God in worship services.  How bad is this development for the PC (USA)?  On one hand, the Associated Press names the reaction of certain conservatives that "the church should stick close to the way God is named in the Bible."  This seems almost right, but the real issue is not that we must only use explicitly Biblical language for God (i.e. who would argue that it would be wrong to address God as the "Great Physician"?), or even that God does not have certain "motherly" qualities (cf. a previous post regarding places in the Bible where God is portrayed as a brooding mother-bird).  The real problem is the desire to replace God's own self-determined names with names that explictly reverse the meaning of those revealed names  -- even when the new name might carry some truth in it.  &lt;br /&gt;     Here's what I mean:  The first person of the Trinity calls himself "Father," and though he also reveals mother-like qualities about himself, this fact, for whatever reason, does not result in God also naming himself in the Bible as "Mother."  Why not?  In the end, you and I don't know the answer for this, nor do we have to know.   Somehow, the Father-metaphor is more central to God's character, more helpul for us to know, whatever -- but "Father" is what he has chosen to call himself, rather than "Mother".  To substitute "Mother" for "Father" is different than calling God "Great Physician," since doing so does not reverse any other name that God has chosen to reveal.  &lt;br /&gt;     Another trend in the Scriptures that helps to make the same point:  God reveals certain qualities about himself by way of metaphor, others by way of simile.  Metaphors say "A is B" while similes say "A is like B".  I.e. Jesus "is" the Son, but is only "like" a mother hen (Luke 13:34).  Of course, one could do a lot of unwarranted speculation about why God chooses some names as metaphors and other self-descriptions as mere similes, but it's an easy, organic, and biblical way to name God by using the metaphors, and not to try to reframe the similes as if they could as easily become metaphors.  I.e. to start calling Jesus our loving "Hen" is to turn a simile into a metaphor.  This is not an insignificant move, but is a kind of genre-violation of God's own modes of self-naming.  Language does matter, and for reasons we can't always name. &lt;br /&gt;     The impulse to rename is sometimes legitimate and a sign of affection, of course -- we give endearing nick-names to our spouses and kids --  but this habit becomes immediately subversive (wouldn't you say?) when we do it to those in authority over us.  To call a civil court  judge "Pops" is partly appropriate as to the nature of his authority, but definitely disrespectul.   And, since God exercises his authority over us lovingly, for our benefit, even the names he has chosen for himself carry some form of a gift, even if we don't always see it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115146277734805768?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115146277734805768/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115146277734805768' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115146277734805768'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115146277734805768'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/06/renaming-god.html' title='Renaming God?'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115102801824784044</id><published>2006-06-22T16:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-06-25T14:33:53.726-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Getting into the Psalms</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:-btQr2YD8vs-7M:www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/miniatur/1200-250/06e_1200.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:-btQr2YD8vs-7M:www.wga.hu/art/zgothic/miniatur/1200-250/06e_1200.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In about 381 AD a Christian woman named Egeria set out on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem from her native Spain, and wrote a travel-journal of her experiences.  Among the other wonders of her story (it's still in print, by the way) is what she reports about how ancient Christians conducted their public worship services.  Now, nothing that's old is worth repeating merely because it's old, but getting a viewpoint from a different millenium and a different culture has its value.  And what the early Christians seemed to value was the Psalms.  For example, the basic daily morning services she would have encountered in Jerusalem opened with either Psalm 50 and 51 or 62 and 63, then several other variable Psalms were read (or sung), then an Old Testament "canticle" (like a Psalm), then Psalms 148-150, followed by various prayers and a blessing.  While the services she attended had been heavily influenced by "monastic model" worship practices and their even heavier Psalmody, these "cathedral model" services of the average Christian were very Psalms-rich.  &lt;br /&gt;     What's great about the Psalms?  They marry theology and poetry, doctrine and personal experience, and model how the whole range of human emotions can be expressed to God through through prayer.  The Pslams teach us how to pray, and praying them ourselves gives us words to say to God that we might have difficulty expressing on our own.  Since the Psalms are also inspired by the Holy Spirit, they are God-endorsed guides that we can trust, and keep us from being lopsided in our own self-made prayers.  For example, praying the Psalms over time keeps us well balanced between praise, thanksgiving, repentance, and requests for God's help.  &lt;br /&gt;     Christians have the advantage (and duty!) of praying the Psalms in light of Christ -- which will help us to make use of many Psalms that might otherwise seem too locked-in to an ancient time and place.  Here are few tips:  When there is a dialogue between "the king" and "the LORD" in a Psalm, think about Christ as that king.  While David was the historical king who wrote the dialogue, Christ is the "Greater David," and many of these Psalms amazingly illuminate Christ's relationship with the Father, especially while he was on earth and depending on his Father while on the way to the cross.  We can worship as we rehearse how Christ was in league with his Father in their joint project to save their people.  Another tip:  when the Psalmist calls out to God for the destruction of his enemies, remember that the three main enemies of the believer in this life are sin, death, and the harassment of the devil.  While David had earthly enemies who he could pray against very strongly because of his particular call by God to maintain an earthly kingdom, we are citizens of Christ's spiritual kingdom that is presently more concerned about spiritual enemies.  So, don't pray brimstone down on your cranky office-mate, but do pray it down on your own sin-nature and the work of the devil in the world.  Again, when the Psalmist praises God for his rescue of his people at the Red Sea, remember that the Exodus is a foreshadowing of Christ's greater rescue at the cross -- realizing this will allow you to use many Psalms word-for-word while praising God for the greater Exodus by which he saved us.  Likewise, the Psalmist warnings against abandoning God in the Sinai desert can be read as a warning to the church to not forget the God who has brought them into such freedom through Christ.  With a few such New Covenant adjustments to our interpetation, we can see why the Psalms are just as useful for the Christian as they were for Jews before Christ.&lt;br /&gt;    Now a very practical idea.  If you'd like to go through Psalms in a month, read the Psalm that has the number of the current date, as well as the current date plus 30, 60, 90, and 120.  So, on June 22, you'd read Psalm 22, 52, 82, 112, and 142.  That's a lot in one day, but still less than a lot of Egeria's new friend's were reading!  Personally, I'd say to go slow and try to pray as you read.  There's no shame in taking ten or more minutes per Psalm (or even an hour).  You only might finish one Psalm in a sitting, but at least you're on your way.  Enjoy meeting God through his own words!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115102801824784044?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115102801824784044/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115102801824784044' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115102801824784044'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115102801824784044'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/06/getting-into-psalms.html' title='Getting into the Psalms'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-115052726167098781</id><published>2006-06-16T22:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-06-23T17:38:26.276-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Book of the Month</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0801012899.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0801012899.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of ongoing problems in contemporary theology is how to best relate "systematic theology" and "biblical studies."  Here's the problem:  if a person starts with a somewhat formed view on any of the traditional subjects within theology (such as the nature of God, the Bible, the person and work of Christ, the role of the Holy Spirit, etc.), he will have a hard time being unbaised when he is trying to interpret any individual text of the Bible.  He'll be tempted to sift scripture through his predetermined theological grid, and so, individual texts will have less chance to challenge or correct his views.  His pre-textual framework will decide beforehand which texts are essential and determinative and which are odd anomalies that are "exceptions to the rule."  But the other problem comes when someone seeks to do biblical studies without reference to systematics, that is, to interpret any individual text without reference to what the Bible says elsewhere on the same topic.  To refuse to engage in systematics makes one forever a mere child -- never growing in wisdom as the broad strokes of the whole Scripture sink in.  Such a path also tends to arbitrarily deny the organic nature of the Bible, that is, that, Christianly speaking, the Holy Spirit is behind the whole project of Scripture, and that Scripture therefore fundamentally agrees with itself and invites some form of systematization (while being sensitive to various genres, historical contexts, etc.). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enter Covenant Theology.  A long-tradition, perhaps begun in earnest by the early church father Irenaeus (2nd century AD) and massively expanded by Protestant Scholastics in the 16th and 17th century, Covenant Theology seeks to make some inroads to solving this age-old problem.  To grossly oversimplify, Covenant Theology suggests that the organic structure of the Bible is covenantal, that is, the unfolding drama of Scripture is strikingly organized around various "covenant administrations" between God and his people.  Scripture does not just tell us about these covenants, rather, covenants are the basic "architectonic principle" (Horton's term, I think) of both testaments.  So, while this observation definitely sees some "system" to scripture, it is a system that is in every imaginable way inherent to the text, not forced on it from above.  The covenantal superstructure of Scripture has been made even more clear after various acheological discoveries of the 20th century showed that whole books of the Old Testament bear remarkable literary-stuctural similarity to ancient near-eastern treaty formulas.  When all of this is understood, an extremely organic way of connecting biblical texts to systematics starts to arise.  If this is unclear, it's because I've left out all of the specifics, but hopefully a post of this short lenth will be enough to at least whet your appetite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Michael Horton's new book &lt;em&gt;God of Promise: An Introduction to Covenant Theology&lt;/em&gt; is a good place to dive into this amazing field (O. Palmer Robertson's &lt;em&gt;Christ of the Covenants&lt;/em&gt; is the older, simpler, intro), though, by any counts, it's for advanced beginners, at least.  Horton was my dissertation advisor, so I'm a little biased, but I do think his last two academic titles (with a finale on the way) have done a lot to advance Covenant Theology in dialogue with a range of unlikely modern conversation partners.  Not exactly summer reading, I guess, but it is a worthy book for anyone's 2006 reading list.  Start here, then if you're really ready to take the plunge, try his &lt;em&gt;Covenant and Eschatology: The Divine Drama&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Lord and Servant: A Covenant Christology&lt;/em&gt; to see how other areas of systematics are helpfully impacted by attention to the Bible's own covenantal structures.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-115052726167098781?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/115052726167098781/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=115052726167098781' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115052726167098781'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/115052726167098781'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/06/book-of-month.html' title='Book of the Month'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114990629117878990</id><published>2006-06-09T18:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-09-30T17:13:02.853-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Whatever Happened to Chanting?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:66rvnhw2tayurM:www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/partituras/agnus_IX.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:66rvnhw2tayurM:www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/partituras/agnus_IX.gif" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In light of my last post on clergy shirts, the topic today might contribute to the rumor that some kind of hyper-traditionalism has overtaken this site.  That is not the case, and yet, the question today is "whatever happened to the practice of chanting in Christian worship services?"  Perhaps I should mention that I am one who has never chanted a word in any service I've led.  Chanting has never been tied to one particular branch of the church, so the numerical rise of one branch over any others can't be the answer for its general demise.  (As evidence for this, compare Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Episcopalian worship books from a few decades ago -- they all have rubrics for chanting various prayers, Psalms, and biblical texts.)  The rise of informalism could be the culprit, but informalism hasn't killed-off music or singing in general, and many forms of chanting are actually more simple than praise choruses.  In fact, just learning a handful of chants would make the entire Psalter singable.  How easy is that?  Chanting provides some of the same benefits of singing longer melodies - it gets the truth of the words deeper into the heart, sort-of romancing us with what is said.  Even other religions recognize this -- Muslims, Jews, and Hindus are big chanters, even today.  Some Protestants might say that chanting sounds too medieval or Roman Catholic, but that response tends to be a catch-all rebuttal for any church practice that doesn't have roots in the Second Great Awakening.  Chanting a few scripture readings in Sunday services might emphasize that we're to worship as we hear the Word read, and not just listen for content.  Again, I welcome comments.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114990629117878990?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114990629117878990/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114990629117878990' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114990629117878990'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114990629117878990'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/06/whatever-happened-to-chanting.html' title='Whatever Happened to Chanting?'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114927660343966447</id><published>2006-06-02T11:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-09-02T10:21:29.890-07:00</updated><title type='text'>On Wearing a "Dog-Collar"</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1012/1013/1600/godcasting_1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1012/1013/200/godcasting_1.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have an old friend, about my age, who is an Anglican priest in a very orthodox American denomination of churches who have either broken away from, or never joined, the liberal Episcopal Church U.S.A.  Brian is a rather high-church sort-of a fellow, which means that whenever I meet with him he's decked out in a clergy-shirt and a large cross necklace.  Last week we met for a meeting in a local saloon, and he was wearing his usual "clerical," except this time with shorts.  Needless to say, he tends to turn a few heads.  But more interestingly, he also attracts a lot of people who want to talk to him about God and their souls.  About two years ago I was late to meet him in another restaurant, and by the time I got there he was, somehow, holding court at the bar with several drinkers who had layed into him with all manner of theological questions.  I asked Brian about this phenomena, and he said when he is wearing his collar he is routinely approached by people in the street who want to get right with God, confess their sins, etc.  &lt;em&gt;Routinely.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of us who do full-time church ministry wish we had more contact with non-Christians, more chances to get out of the church-ghetto and into real conversations with people who may be asking important spiritual questions.  In light of Brian's experiences, putting on a clergy shirt and walking downtown sounds almost too easy.  I've started doing a little on-line research on the topic and have found many similar testimonials from pastors who simply don the collar, and watch the sparks fly.  What might happen if a pastor were to put on a collar, take a seat by himself in a bar or coffeehouse, and just wait?  I'm contemplating running this experiment myself.  Some of the standard objections to wearing a collar don't quite stand up, either.  The clergy shirt has no historical tie to Roman Catholicism, as some fear, since the typical clery shirts styles were first used by Protestants.  How about the potential problem overly distinguishing a pastor from other Christians, i.e. somehow denying the "priesthood of all believers"?  Martin Luther, the first developer of that doctrine, still wore some form of distinct attire, as do most Lutheran pastors (at least while  conducting services).  Most Protestant denominations have used collars at the discretion of the individual minister, though the practice seems to have declined in the mid-twentieth century when clergy were trying to de-emphasize the clergy/laity distinction.  But, I'd argue, whatever else the priesthood of the believer means, it does not erase the distinction in calling between the believer who is an ordained minister from the believer who is a doctor, engineer, construction worker, etc.  The shirt simply communicates, "I'm a pastor" in the same way that other dress communicates "I'm a pilot," "I'm a police officer," "I'm a dentist," etc.  And, to wear to the collar in public really would seem to say, "I'm a minister, and I'm on the job.  How can I help you?"  It's almost too easy.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a lot more info on this, check out www.kencollins.com/pray-26.htm and as well as a pictorial guide to "clericals" (street wear) versus "vestments" (attire for use during public worship) see kencollins.com/glossary/vestments.htm.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114927660343966447?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114927660343966447/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114927660343966447' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114927660343966447'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114927660343966447'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/06/on-wearing-dog-collar.html' title='On Wearing a &quot;Dog-Collar&quot;'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114869131723223088</id><published>2006-05-26T16:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-06-21T07:22:28.166-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The "Christ" is Jesus' Last Name Problem</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.artforgod.ca/images/Paintings%20fk/messiah.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.artforgod.ca/images/Paintings%20fk/messiah.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What if we took a break from saying "Jesus Christ" and instead went with "Jesus the Messiah" or "Jesus the Anointed"?  Here's my rationale:  Technically, when we say "Christ" we are merely transliterating the Greek noun "christos" rather than really translating the word into English.  That is, "Christ" doesn't have any meaning in the English language outside of a moniker for Jesus, which is why some people, understandably, think it must be just part of Jesus' given name.  "Christos" translates the Hebrew word "messiah," and comes into English as "anointed-one."  All to say, when the Bible calls Jesus the "Christ," it is actually communicating something about Jesus' mission, the purpose that the Father had appointed for him.  To start calling him "Jesus the Anointed" would remind us that Jesus was called and equipped by God for a specific kingly, priestly task (kings and priests were both anointed in the Old Testament).  Many people these days are rightly acknowledging that the most recurrent theme in Jesus' own teaching about himself is that he had arrived to inaugurate his Father's kingdom, to put-the-world-to-rights (as N.T. Wright likes to say).  Whenever the New Testament writers call Jesus the "Christ," they are reminding us that Jesus is God's  chosen-one, Israel's messiah who was sent to be the world's rightful Lord, that this Jesus has personally brought the beginning of the end of history, as all the old prophets had anticipated.  To many people, the untranslated word "Christ" does not communicate any of this rich meaning (though certainly, we can train ourselves make such an association in our heads whenever we hear "Christ").  To start calling Jesus "the Anointed" would immediately raise the question "anointed to do what?"  - and of course, the answer to that question is what matters most about Jesus.  Any thoughts, readers?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114869131723223088?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114869131723223088/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114869131723223088' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114869131723223088'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114869131723223088'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/05/christ-is-jesus-last-name-problem.html' title='The &quot;Christ&quot; is Jesus&apos; Last Name Problem'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114811436328482350</id><published>2006-05-19T23:05:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-07-04T00:02:43.810-07:00</updated><title type='text'>N.T. Wright at City Church of San Francisco</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://christianaudio.com/images/NT_Wright_Featured.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://christianaudio.com/images/NT_Wright_Featured.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As promised, here's a short review of the event last Monday night.  I drove up to the city in time to catch dinner with Rev. Mike Hayes of City Church, then over to the Russian Center.  N.T. Wright, the Anglican bishop of Durham, spoke to a packed house of mostly twenty and thirty somethings.  To see some five hundred young people cram-in to hear a lecture about theology from a former Oxbridge don, in San Francisco no less, is surely good news for the future of the world.  The lecture was mostly Wright summarizing his new book, &lt;em&gt;Simply Chrisitian: Why Christianity Makes Sense&lt;/em&gt;, which has a chance at being the next &lt;em&gt;Mere Christianity&lt;/em&gt; in terms of its hyper-accessible, smart, appealing introduction to the Christian faith.  The hook of the talk (and the book) is Wright's observation that all human beings hear four "echoes of a voice": a desire that the world be more just and fair, a drive for some spiritual connection, a yearning for relationships, and an awe before real beauty.  While these voices are universal, they are mere whispers, since none these yearnings are ever quite satisfied or explainable on their own terms.  From here, Wright shows how the story of God's creation of the world, its fall, and its recreation through Christ and his kingdom makes the most sense of these vague yet persistent voices.  Because God's new creation has been inaugurated in the arrival Jesus Christ in Palestine, God's justice is on its way, a path to spiritual union with God has been opened, the possibility of a renewed human commmunity has begun, and a glimpse of the truest beauty has appeared.  These are different ways to introduce the old Christian doctrines, but (especially in the book) Wright gets around to the Trinity, person and work of Christ, etc.  Of course, new creation themes make up the dominant doctrinal framework for Wright, which sometimes to me seems reductionistic when it comes to the atonement.  The book is worth the read though, and especially good for post-modern types who might be specifically suspicious of traditional Christianity.  Is it the &lt;em&gt;Mere Christianity&lt;/em&gt; of the 21st century?  Time will tell.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114811436328482350?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114811436328482350/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114811436328482350' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114811436328482350'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114811436328482350'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/05/nt-wright-at-city-church-of-san.html' title='N.T. Wright at City Church of San Francisco'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114766023473958065</id><published>2006-05-14T18:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-05-14T19:38:40.573-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Gettin' on the Bus for N.T. Wright</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ViOuEZdCmlf2JM:www.preteristarchive.com/images/Portraits/AP_wright-nt.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 150px;" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ViOuEZdCmlf2JM:www.preteristarchive.com/images/Portraits/AP_wright-nt.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there was such a thing as a rock star of theology living today, it would be N.T. Wright.  The slightly plump, bearded, vestment-wearing, sixty-something Anglican bishop might not say so himself, but the fact is that he inspires groupies as well as super-fans, those who swear he's reinventing the study of the New Testament.  I, for one, am not quite a super-fan, but I am about to inconvenience myself and my family tomorrow in order to drive four hours to hear him speak in San Francisco (heck, even moderate fans of U2 would drive that far to hear them play).  Beyond the rock-and-roll analogy, N.T. Wright is a serious scholar at the fore-front of what has been called the "Third Quest for the Historical Jesus."  In case you missed the first two quests, they began in the 1700's and are just recently winding up.  These quests, as they are known, tended to conclude that the Jesus of history was either a "pale Galilean" who was very sweet and mostly talked like Robert Schuller, or, a New Age guru who tried to get everyone to wake up to their inner deity.  He certainly did not do miracles or rise from the dead.  The interesting (and amazing) news is that many of these conclusions about Jesus are no longer in theological vogue, giving way to a Jesus that looks a lot like a first century Jew who might have actually known something about the Torah (how uncouth!) and, the biggest surprise, may well have been painted fairly accurately by the Gospel writers (at least Matthew, Mark, and Luke).  What's more amazing is that this family of scholars is simultaneously academically respectable even to those who disagree with their conclusions, and, their conclusions about Jesus are relatively orthodox.  I've tangled a little with N.T. on this blog, but I'd still agree with the super-fans that he's the most widely influential scholar in theology today.  I'm heading up to hear him speak to a fairly small group of folks at City Church of San Francisco surrounding the release of his new book &lt;em&gt;Simply Christian&lt;/em&gt;.  I'll make a report here later in the week.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114766023473958065?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114766023473958065/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114766023473958065' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114766023473958065'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114766023473958065'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/05/gettin-on-bus-for-nt-wright.html' title='Gettin&apos; on the Bus for N.T. Wright'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114710474547916623</id><published>2006-05-08T08:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T20:52:35.686-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Da Vinci Code Absurdity of the Week</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.sulinet.hu/tovabbtan/felveteli/2001/7het/muvtori/mithras.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.sulinet.hu/tovabbtan/felveteli/2001/7het/muvtori/mithras.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This week's selection comes from page 240 of the illustrated edition: Dr. Teabing says, "Don't get a symbologist started on Christian icons.  Nothing in Christianity is original.  The pre-Christian God Mithras-- called the Son of God and the Light of the World-- was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days...the newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well.  Scholars distinguish between two periods of Mithraism, the early Persian original, and a much later Roman version that appeared in the West at the end of the first century, at the earliest.  So, the only version that early Christianity could have conceiveably borrowed from was the Persian variety.  The Persian Mithras was a cattle herder who was born of a woman who got pregnant by swimming in a lake that happened to have the 400 year-old sperm of a god in it.  This Mithras was not resurrected from the dead.  The Roman post-Christian Mithras may have had more similarities with Jesus, but the charge of copying is as easily reversed in that case, since the canonical Gospels were in circulation far earlier than Mirthraism.  Teabing's reference to Mithras' burial and resurrection on the third day (and Krishna's birthday gifts) seems to be lifted &lt;em&gt;in toto&lt;/em&gt; from Kersey Graves' discredited &lt;em&gt;The World's Sixteen Saviors&lt;/em&gt;, an outlandish book of undocumented claims published in 1875 (for example, no Hindu texts before 300 AD even discuss Krishna's birth, and the later Harivasma Purana, which does, makes no reference to "gold, frankincense, and myhrr.")  Is the Christian Lord's Supper a rip-off of a Mithraic "god-eating" ritual, as Teabing also suggets?  While Mithraism features a ritual consumption of bread and water (possibly wine), there is no evidence that it was interpreted as an act "god-eating."  Even if it was, the Christian Lord's Supper is obviously rooted in the much more ancient Jewish Passover meal which predates any form of Mithraism, Persian or not.  As for Sunday worship being "stolen from the pagans," Jesus resurrection on Sunday, as reported in the Gospels, is the real source for that day being hallowed.  Again, remember the timeline:  the honoring of Sunday as "the Lord's day" (cf. Rev.1:10 and 1 Cor.16:2, for example) arose within the first century, centuries before the pagan Emperor Constantine created a "hybrid-religion" (Teabing's words) bewtween Christianity and paganism.  One wonders if Dr. Teabing's doctorate was really issued by a diploma-mill!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114710474547916623?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114710474547916623/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114710474547916623' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114710474547916623'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114710474547916623'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/05/da-vinci-code-absurdity-of-week.html' title='&lt;em&gt;Da Vinci Code&lt;/em&gt; Absurdity of the Week'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114659596789323853</id><published>2006-05-02T11:28:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2006-05-02T12:01:06.023-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Newsweek, Judas, and Me</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/07/0407judas1_wideweb__470x336,0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/07/0407judas1_wideweb__470x336,0.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was surprised to find a letter I wrote to Newsweek appearing in their May 1st issue.  You faithful readers at enormoushippo were the first read my praise for Newsweek's Gospel of Judas coverage in my April 16th posting.  After I blogged about the Newsweek article, I sent a letter to the editor, which then appeared two weeks later in print.  Since Newsweek has a circulation of 3.2 million, I have likely now experienced the peak audience that anything I write will ever reach.  That fact is simultaneouly exhiliarating and deflating.  For the remaining 277 million Americans who don't get Newsweek (as well as you international readers), here's the letter they printed:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Your good coverage of the Gospel of Judas puts the brakes on our readiness to grasp at any newly discovered ancient text that happens to mention Jesus as a reason to rewrite his whole history ("Sealed with a Kiss," April 17).  As David Gates reminds us, the Gospel of Judas was written awfully late to play any such revisionist role.  Don't get me wrong -- I'll be interested to eventually read the Gospel of Judas -- but as a study of a later variant on the earlier form of Christianity which was based on the much older canonical Gospels, not as a new source for what really happened during the days leading to Jesus' crucifixion."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114659596789323853?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114659596789323853/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114659596789323853' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114659596789323853'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114659596789323853'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/05/newsweek-judas-and-me_02.html' title='Newsweek, Judas, and Me'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114594835205221879</id><published>2006-04-24T23:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-04-25T00:02:58.833-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Da Vinci Code Absurdity of the Week</title><content type='html'>A few weeks ago I made a tentative decision to stop writing about the &lt;em&gt;Da Vinci Code&lt;/em&gt; because thought I'd run the risk of making this blog too repetititive, and perhaps because I'd come off as too much of a crank.  I've changed my mind.  Since the movie is still on the way, we have at least another couple of months where the ideas of the book will be as hot as ever (as depressing the thought of that is to me!).  I also just started teaching a class on it at our church, so everything is fresh in my mind again.  Here's the format I'll try in this and future posts:  I'll quote a sentence or two from the book, and then make a few comments on why this quote qualifies as "A &lt;em&gt;Da Vinci&lt;/em&gt; Absurdity."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This week's selection comes from one of the many historically revisionist speeches of the character Leigh Teabing.  He says,"Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ &lt;em&gt;human&lt;/em&gt; traits and embellished those gospels that made him godlike."  The hint of truth:  Constantine did commision the copying of a few dozen Bibles after the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.  The absurdity: the list of Gospels included were only what anyone would have expected -- Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.  These Gospels were not in dispute as the historically reputable ones by anyone at the Council of Nicea.  So, Constantine was not pulling a fast one, nor did he even personally act as the Bible's editor.  Also, no evidence whatsoever exists to suggest that these Gospels were "embellished."  On top of this, the four canonical Gospels, far from supressing ideas of Christ's humanity, are replete with his humanity.  The critique of the Gnostic Gospels was, in fact, that &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are the ones that diminish Christ's true human nature by turning him into some kind of phantasm that only appears to have had human flesh.  Orthodox Christianity, from the earliest of times, claimed that Christ was fully God and fully human -- and this conclusion came because the four canonical Gospels emphasize both of those things.  That Christ was fully human was not something that the early church denied or tried to supress as Dr. Teabing suggests -- in fact, Christ's full humanity is one of the most fundamental articles of faith as even the Nicene Creed itself alludes to.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114594835205221879?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114594835205221879/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114594835205221879' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114594835205221879'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114594835205221879'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/04/da-vinci-code-absurdity-of-week.html' title='&lt;em&gt;Da Vinci Code&lt;/em&gt; Absurdity of the Week'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114542700966253383</id><published>2006-04-18T22:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-05-16T20:53:44.693-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Is Christian Salvation Other-Worldly or This-Worldly?</title><content type='html'>(My apologies to anyone who just read a shorter version of this entry that I just posted on JollyBlogger.)  &lt;br /&gt;A hot-topic in theology circles these days, especially in light of the rise of the "Emergent Church" movement, is whether or not the kingdom that Jesus Christ came to announce is more about a life-after-death place we go, or an entire overhaul of the present created world.  My contribution to the debate:  salvation is both of these things.  &lt;br /&gt;Despite what we might think about his whole theological project, N.T. Wright &lt;em&gt;nails&lt;/em&gt; the biblical theme of salvation as "new creation," proving that the scripture really does underwrite some of the renewed interest in going beyond the language of mere life-after-death.  The "heaven" of the book of Revelation is really more like a fabulously renewed earth than a wispy, cloudy, world of disembodied, blissful souls. Yet, (and this is a big "yet"), the fulness of the renewed future creation is only experienced by those who pass into it through a physical death (and dying &lt;em&gt;in Christ&lt;/em&gt; no less), and then, a future bodily resurrection and vindication at the judgment seat of Christ (cf. 2 Cor.5).  This "new heavens and new earth" is not an inevitable inheritance of anyone who lives on earth today, nor a reality that we can realize through any degree of sanctified efforts at cultural reform.  The present world, and all of its history, must draw to a close at the moment of a future cataclysmic judgment, before that new creation will be brought to fruition.  Most of us will experience this as a life-after-death reality.  Until then, of course, we should get busy making the world more kingdom-like in ways that we can -- to do so proves that we have a theology of creation/re-creation, and not just a theology of the redemption of souls.  There is, in fact, no room for the view that we shouldn't bother improving this world since it's all "going to burn."  &lt;br /&gt;But there is no ultimate conflict between a life-after-death understanding of salvation and that of a renewed creation.  The mistake would be to pick either emphasis and make it its own "camp" from which to judge the other perspective as entirely wrong-headed.  No surprise, the biblical view of reality, even heavenly reality, is not so easily summarised by just one metaphor, one image.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114542700966253383?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114542700966253383/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114542700966253383' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114542700966253383'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114542700966253383'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/04/is-christian-salvation-other-worldly.html' title='Is Christian Salvation Other-Worldly or This-Worldly?'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114524214958215893</id><published>2006-04-16T19:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-04-18T18:13:12.766-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Newsweek on Judas</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/060417_Issue/060408_Judas_vl.widec.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/060417_Issue/060408_Judas_vl.widec.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Continuing the theme of giving credit where credit is due in media coverage of the &lt;em&gt;Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt;, let's pause to considerer these wise (even punchy) words from Newsweek's David Gates:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Don't be expecting this fragmented manuscript to read like the King James. Small sample: " '[Truly] I say to you, [ ... ] angel [ ... ] power will be able to see that [ ... ] these to whom [ ... ] holy generations [ ... ]' After Jesus said this, he departed." And not a minute too soon. The secret wisdom Jesus confides—when he's not laying out a hierarchy of angels, gods and more gods that makes Hinduism sound minimalist—is a lot like that of the Gnostic Gospels, which posit a strict enmity between flesh and spirit..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Robinson, who tried to acquire the manuscript again in 1993, says the Gospel is a sensation—but only to scholars, not the public. His own book, "The Secrets of Judas," hardly oversells the translation. "It tells us nothing about the historical Jesus, nothing about the historical Judas," he told NEWSWEEK. "It only tells what, 100 years later, Gnostics were doing with the story they found in the canonical Gospels. I think purchasers are going to throw the book down in disgust." But right now, people are loving the idea that Jesus and Judas were dear friends who were in it together—it's such a downer to think the guy sinned and felt bad—and the hoopla machine is grinding away. The book. The book about the book. The National Geographic TV show about the book and the book about the book. The audiobook. (Can't wait to hear the passage above.) Last week, the public unveiling of the manuscript. Next year, the illustrated critical edition. Can the lipstick tie-in be far behind?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114524214958215893?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114524214958215893/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114524214958215893' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114524214958215893'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114524214958215893'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/04/newsweek-on-judas.html' title='Newsweek on &lt;em&gt;Judas&lt;/em&gt;'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114479838849104086</id><published>2006-04-11T16:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-04-11T16:33:08.690-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The New York Times and Judas</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/07/us/07judas190.2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/07/us/07judas190.2.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accolades to John Wiford and Laurie Goodstein for their balanced treatment in the New York Times of the &lt;em&gt;Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; on April 7th.  They mention that the real debate is not whether the document is ancient, but over it's relevance (presumably, they mean, to the question of Jesus studies).  Those experts who they go on to quote as representatives of the pro-gnostic side of this new debate show how limited the scope of this whole conversation will really be.  In other words, the relevance of the discovery is not so much to a possible redrawing of old lines about the historical Jesus, about which all late-dated gnostic Gospels are dubious source texts, but relevance merely to the nature of second and third century beliefs about Jesus in certain sub-sects.  One of the champions of gnostic Christianity, Elaine Pagels, is quoted as saying that discoveries of this and other gnostic texts "are exploding the myth of a monolithic religion and demonstrating how diverse — and fascinating — the early Christian movement really was."  She's right, though one wonders if anyone ever believed such a myth (though again, the truly "early Christian movement" of pre 70 A.D. shows very little of the diversity that Pagels revels in).   The &lt;em&gt;Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; will be a fascinating read, but only as it gives insight into a highly marginal (even among Gnostics?) religious community and their imaginings about Jesus and Judas.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114479838849104086?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114479838849104086/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114479838849104086' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114479838849104086'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114479838849104086'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/04/new-york-times-and-judas.html' title='The New York Times and &lt;em&gt;Judas&lt;/em&gt;'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114436656261385749</id><published>2006-04-06T15:48:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-04-08T12:28:12.460-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Betraying The Gospel of Judas</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:UMtngP3VRNWNSM:www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/judas-iscariot/judas1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:UMtngP3VRNWNSM:www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/judas-iscariot/judas1.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today's big story in religion is the unveiling of &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt;, a 1,700 year-old Coptic document that purports to record a secret conversation between Jesus and Judas, where Jesus &lt;em&gt;asks&lt;/em&gt; Judas to betray him.  The text was actually dug up in Egypt in the 1970's, but, somehow, ended up in a New York City bank safe-deposit box until it was recently restored and translated (National Geographic will soon print and sell copies).  Is this copy of &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; really as old as 300 A.D.?  Yes, probably.  Does this mean we have to seriously re-evaluate what really happened on the night that Jesus was betrayed?  Well, not exactly.  First, it must be conceded that this Gospel was probably written well before 300 A.D.  If the idea that Jesus asked Judas to stage a betrayal sounds familiar, it might be because you saw Martin Scorsese's &lt;em&gt;The Last Temptation of Christ&lt;/em&gt; in the late 1980's, which portrays such a scene.  We've actually known about this claim for a long time-  since 180 A.D., in fact, since that's the rough publication date of a rebuttal of &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; written by a church leader named Irenaeus.  So, through Irenaeus, we've actually had second-hand quotes of &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; for a long time.  Today's announcement really only qualifies as news because now we have the full text of the work, and not just quotations.  So, despite the tone of some of today's headlines, nothing earth-shattering has come to light.  Orthdox Christianity dealt with this book and moved on quite a while ago -- just over 1,800 years ago, to be exact.  &lt;br /&gt;But the real reason why we don't need to seriously reconsider what the New Testament says about Jesus having been genuinely betrayed by Judas is that &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; is still a very late occuring document compared to especially the synoptic Gospels (Mathhew, Mark, and Luke), which were written about 100 years earlier.  Unfortunatley, today's coverage of the story suggests that we should equally weight the &lt;em&gt;Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; alongside the New Testament sources, if not give it even greater weight.  But on what grounds?  That 100 year gap just yawns too wide.  More importantly, &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; bears all the marks of full-blown Gnostic Chrisitanity, a melding of various Greek and Near-Eastern religious elements with the Christianity of the New Testament -- and no one has shown evidence that this advanced form of Gnosticism existed until well into the the second century.  The fact that Jesus asks to be killed in order to be freed from the prison of bodily existence is classic Gnostic anti-materialism, but this was not a religious perspective that existed in first-century Palestine.  &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt; presents us with an alternative Jesus alright, but not a Jesus that likely has much to do with the Jesus of Nazareth.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114436656261385749?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114436656261385749/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114436656261385749' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114436656261385749'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114436656261385749'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/04/betraying-gospel-of-judas.html' title='Betraying &lt;em&gt;The Gospel of Judas&lt;/em&gt;'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114422689686700599</id><published>2006-04-04T23:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-04-05T23:57:59.163-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Please Accept This Emotional Appeal</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:M9LUx_ZxCl0YOM:images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/0552149519.09.LZZZZZZZ.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:M9LUx_ZxCl0YOM:images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/0552149519.09.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With the Tom Hanks/Ron Howard film on its way in May, we're headed into another season of media attention for the &lt;em&gt;Da Vinci Code&lt;/em&gt; and its claims about Jesus and early Christianity.  It will be hard to miss interviews with scholars, pseudo-scholars, the man-in-the-street, and maybe even a rare interview with Dan Brown himself.  Our course, I'd like to weigh-in on these heady issues myself, using this forum.  But tonight I won't.  I have a number of (I'd like to think) well-argued, thoughtful responses to Browns' claims that (1) no one believed Jesus was God until after 325 A.D., 2) Constantine commissioned the writing of the New Testament, 3) Jesus was once widely known to have had children with Mary Magdalene; 4) the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls threaten Christian orthodoxy, and 5) the Gnostic Gospels are better sources of historical information about Jesus than the four canonical Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John).  Yes, I've got a few things to say about all these things -- but so do, and so have, many other scholars.  And, frankly, it doesn't take particularly savvy scholarship to answer many of Brown's claims --  rather, it takes an hour-and-a-half at your nearest public library.  &lt;br /&gt;So, instead of a scholarly response, I'd like to draw on all of the trust capital I may have earned with you, gentle reader.  I'd like to make a direct appeal to any amount of credibility my education warrants, a plea for consideration based on the simple assurance that I am a generally reasonable person.  All of these appeals in order to say:  please, please, please believe that what the &lt;em&gt;Da Vinci Code&lt;/em&gt; says about Jesus Christ and ancient Christianity is just sheer poppycock.  Really, just an incredible pile of unwarranted silliness.  I'm not making an argument here, I'm making an emotional appeal.  Even anti-Christian scholars wouldn't think of trying to publish most of Brown's stuff in a respected journal.  The problem with a lot of the media coverage is that, in the name of objectivity, I suppose, Brown's ideas are introduced as some kind of "fresh perspectives" that are "at least worth considering."  Even non-committal talk show hosts want to allow that Brown is at least "thoughtfully examining long-held beliefs."  But I'm here tonight, writing way past my bedtime, to say, 'No, no, no,' Dan Brown is not "onto something" here, or even "at least asking hard questions."  He's not really asking questions at all, he's making deeply, deeply ridiculous claims through the extended monologues of his characters.  &lt;br /&gt;People speak of the sin of "heretical" claims, or the mistake of "ahistorical" claims, but what's at issue here is first, simply, "ridiculous" claims.  No one believed in Jesus' divinity until after the Council of Nicea in 325?  How does one even begin to answer such an outlandish assertion?  The first challenge, certainly, would be to even keep a straight face while trying to make reference to the thousands of parchments that pre-date Nicea that would prove such a belief was widespread -- but now I'm actually making an argument. Brown's ideas in &lt;em&gt;The DaVinci Code&lt;/em&gt; are not just wrong -- for you can be earnest, well-researched, and still make wrong conclusions.  They are not even exactly devious, for that would suggest some kind of clever manipulation of the data.  To date, the best word I've come up with is "ridiculous."  Please, please,  trust me on this one unless you are planning to pick up one of the many published rebuttals.  If you are, my favorite is Carl Olson and Sandra Miesel's &lt;em&gt;The DaVinci Hoax&lt;/em&gt;.  Until then, I hope that while you may never think of me as the single most discerning, brillliant, penetrating thinker you've ever encountered, you'll at least trust me in this:  I know cookoo-rookoo when I read it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114422689686700599?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114422689686700599/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114422689686700599' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114422689686700599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114422689686700599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/04/please-accept-this-emotional-appeal.html' title='Please Accept This Emotional Appeal'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114361419115971411</id><published>2006-03-28T21:15:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-29T10:39:20.750-08:00</updated><title type='text'>How the New Testament Authors Read the Old</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Icon_03021_Preobrazhenie_Gospodne.jpg/250px-Icon_03021_Preobrazhenie_Gospodne.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Icon_03021_Preobrazhenie_Gospodne.jpg/250px-Icon_03021_Preobrazhenie_Gospodne.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Depending on who you are, the following statement might seem either utterly obvious or pure wishful thinking:  The writers of the New Testament actually believed that the Old Testament was all about Jesus Christ.  Let me explain why this is a post worth writing.  For a long time I've been basically convinced that the Old Testament contained several prophecies of the coming Messiah, and that the New Testament writers thought that Jesus fulfilled those prophecies.  Most Christians would admit as much.  But it was only recently that I starting "collecting" New Testament references which show the specific ways that they thought Jesus was revealed in the Old Testament.  The fairly startling result when these texts are compared is that, according to New Testament, (1) several Old Testament characters had specific knowledge of Jesus, (2) Jesus was an active agent in Old Testament events, and (3) the whole substance of the Old Testament reveals Jesus (not just a few scattered prophecies).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are the details:  Abraham "rejoiced that he would see my [Jesus'] day" (Jn.8:56); Moses was emboldened to give up the easy life in in Pharoah's court to serve God because he "considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt" (Heb. 11:26); the exodus itself, as well as supernatural intervention of God in the Sinai desert was actually the work of Jesus: "Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe" (Jude 5); the "spiritual rock" from which the Israelites drank in the desert was none other than "Christ" (1 Cor. 10:4); the message of "eternal life" to which the Old Testament bears witness is a message centered on Christ (John 5:39).  The Old Testament prophets specifically wrestled with the details of Christ's sufferings and future glories (1 Pet.1:11).  In fact, the sin-atoning death, burial, and third-day resurrection of Christ are foretold in the Old Testament (1 Cor. 15:3-4).  Isaiah understood his call as a prophet to be about Christ, since "Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him" (Jn.12:41).  And, at the broadest level, the Law, Prophets, and the Psalms reveal the entire gospel, including the church's mission to preach Christ to the nations (Luke 24:25-27;44-47).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The upshot:  if we agree that the New Testament (and Jesus) got all of this right, we should always read the Old Testament looking for hints and whispers of Christ.  Christ's person and work are not incidental or occasional themes, but make up the very warp-and-woof of those old books. If, as the New Testament suggests, the pre-incarnate Christ haunts even the details of the narratives in the Pentateuch, let's keep our eyes open for other ways that Christ may be revealed there.  Want a guide-book for this kind of Christ-centered Old Testament study?  A great primer is Edmund Clowny's &lt;em&gt;The Unfolding Mystery: Discovering Christ in the Old Testament&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114361419115971411?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114361419115971411/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114361419115971411' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114361419115971411'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114361419115971411'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-new-testament-authors-read-old.html' title='How the New Testament Authors Read the Old'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114308346260198629</id><published>2006-03-22T18:54:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-27T07:56:05.480-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Note on  One Kind of Good Ecumenism</title><content type='html'>Let's face it, some Christian traditions have been better at living out certain aspects of the Biblical vision of the Christian life than others.  Would anyone doubt, for example, that the charismatic movement -- all theological criticisms aside -- has done a pretty good job modeling fervency in prayer?  So here's the point about ecumenism:  sometimes we'll find that people in another tradition are living out an aspect &lt;em&gt;of our own doctrine&lt;/em&gt; in a better way than we are -- and they may not even officially confess that doctrine themselves.  I have plenty of friends, for example, who pray with a fervency and confidence that assumes God is sovereign over all events in the world, though if you asked them they'd articulate a strong free-will theology.  Yet, to watch them pray reminds me that my own beliefs about God's sovereignty should make me more like them when I pray, and less like my often tentative, low-horizon self.  In such places we can learn from sometimes very different traditions without becoming relativistic about doctrine itself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114308346260198629?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114308346260198629/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114308346260198629' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114308346260198629'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114308346260198629'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/03/note-on-one-kind-of-good-ecumenism.html' title='Note on  One Kind of Good Ecumenism'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114288938882978762</id><published>2006-03-20T12:44:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-21T00:07:21.893-08:00</updated><title type='text'>March Book Recommendation</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04081312011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/8100000/8101759.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px;" src="http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04081312011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/8100000/8101759.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;D.A. Carson's great little book, &lt;em&gt;Exegetical Fallacies&lt;/em&gt;, is an extended list of mistakes that people often make when they think they are proving something "from the Bible."  Sadly, many people have become skeptical about any arguments based on "what the Bible says" because they have observed how others have made the Bible say anything and everything.  However, the modern adage, "you can prove anything with the Bible," is not true according to Carson.  Most erroneous and subjective interpretations of Scripture are also guilty of breaking some classical rules of argumentation.  These common fallacies, if they were understood by those seeking to interpret the Bible, would prevent a lot of hanky-panky as well as many honest mistakes.  Some of Carson's list of exegetical offenders are partiuclar to the world of biblical interpretation, but many are straight out of a logic textbook.  Christians, especially, need to be clear about how to move from text to interpretation, and how not to.  To the extent that we are sloppy about this, we can destroy confidence that the Bible is anything other than a spiritual springboard, a wordy Rorshach that carries no particular meaning apart from what our own minds bring to it.  Pick up &lt;em&gt;Exegetical Fallacies&lt;/em&gt; if you've never seen it, and be prepared for an interpretive tune-up.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114288938882978762?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114288938882978762/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114288938882978762' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114288938882978762'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114288938882978762'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/03/march-book-recommendation.html' title='March Book Recommendation'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114239349236207345</id><published>2006-03-14T18:59:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-16T10:35:11.403-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Disney and the Other Kingdom</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1012/1013/1600/IMG_7764.0.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1012/1013/200/IMG_7764.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just got back from Disney World yesterday, a family trip sponsored by my very generous father-in-law.  Wow.  Would you believe that the Orlando Disney employs fifty-seven thousand people on a forty-seven square mile piece of land?  No kidding.  After four days, we only scratched the surface of what's there.  Even the details impressed me: all the grounds were spotless, the "cast members" cheerful, even the landscaping was show-stopping.  For all of my high-brow critiques of Disney and its believe-in-your-dreams humanism, its portrayal of increasingly sexed-up princesses, etc., Disney World was a load of fun, especially with our two year-old, Willa.  I'm trying to sort through the fact that I was, myself, a little starstruck when we met Minnie-Mouse at the "character dinner".  Willa too was starstruck - shaking, actually.  Beyond just Minnie, she was, in a sense, catechized into a mastery of the whole pantheon of Disney characters that prowl around the park.  A week ago she only knew how to say  "Minnie-Mouse" and "Cinderella", but now she can verbally identify Mickey, Goofy, Pluto, Snow White, the Little Mermaid, and Chip and Dale. Some of this makes me nervous.  While we bought very little merchandise, she has no-doubt formed a myriad of positive associations with Disney images that will influence her buying choices for years to come.  She, and we, had such an ongoing feast of dazzling entertainment that my wife and I wonder if life after Orlando will seem drab.  I.e., it's nine o'clock, where are the fireworks? I vaguely feel the scrutiny of Neil Postman from beyond the grave, for at the end of the four long days we had, it seemed, nearly entertained ourselves to death.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of this makes me think that the best Christian response to the arresting power of Disney World is to be sure that our preaching and liturgy tells as compelling a story as Walt's.  In a way, Disney lays down the gauntlet when it comes to enthralling an audience.  And while the business of the church is not to entertain people, certainly our story - the creation, fall, and redemption of the world through the Passion of Christ, and the future culmination of his kingdom at his final return -  surely this is, as Dorothy Sayers said, "the most exciting drama ever staged." Why shouldn't we also seek to capture the imagination of our young people, but about a greater Prince Charming, a more enduring Kingdom, and a real Lion King?  After a week at Disney World, to bore people with the gospel seems more sinful than it did before.  If the kiss of the bridegroom in the Song of Solomon is, as Bernard of Clairvaux said it is, the kiss of Christ on the lips of his people, and if that kiss raises us from the sleep of spiritual death -- well then, the otherwise enchanting tale of Sleeping Beauty starts to look a little derivative.  One of the reasons the church can confidently take up Disney's implicit challenge is that we have the better story -- the True Myth, as J.R.R. Tolkien would have said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None of this is to say that Disney's kingdom is in direct competition with the kingdom of God.  If Tolkien had seen the nightly parade through the streets of the Magic Kingdom, wouldn't he tell us it is a true, however dim, reflection of the future procession of the saints through the gold streets in the kingdom of God?  If so, he would have been right.  This is why the Christian response to Disney World can not be a one-sided critique.  It is somehow right to be swept up by the kernel of truth and beauty that is here.  There is such a thing as scrooginess, afterall, and to be unmoved by something like the (four times a day) coronation of pauper-turned-princess Cinderella, complete with royal anthem playing from a thousand speakers, all against the backdrop of the fabulously illuminated palace (fiberglass construction not withstanding) is to be guilty of a wonder deficit.    When the myths that are played out on the various park rides and animatronic stage shows are really good, as they often are, glimmers of the gospel are usually just under the surface (as anecdotal evidence, I cite the number of Lion King sermon illustrations preached from American pulpits a few years ago). And, now that Disney owns the Narnia film franchise and has opened a proto Narnia-experience at their Disney-MGM Studios park, the gospel/fairy tale gap has become even narrower when walking the golden streets of Disney World.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, on the other hand, to try to presently create an explicitly Christian version of Disney's spectacle is to fail to realize that such a final version of the kingdom is a future reality, not a present one (take note, founders of the new Ave Maria town in Florida).  Maybe that's why after four days in the park, for all of the fun we were having, it was beginning to feel a tinge like escapism.  While the forty-seven square-mile Disney World is a near utopia, once in a while you are reminded that outside the walls of this kingdom there exists a world that is still fallen.  A USA Today headline I saw while waiting for the shuttle to EPCOT broke the spell for a moment: "Alabama churches burned 'as a joke,' suspects say."  EPCOT means Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow.  In its best aspects, that's what Disney really is -- a prototype of a future City, but one that we'll have to wait for.  So, taken in measured doses, the Disney experience is fun in some of the highest senses of the word.  But, as a family, we'll need to remind ourselves this week that God has called us, for the present time, to be pilgrims on the way to the Celestial City -- and not to hole-up for too long in imitations of that place, however legitimately enchanting.  And on those warm winter nights in Orlando, schmoozing with the princesses, Disney World was certainly that.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114239349236207345?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114239349236207345/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114239349236207345' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114239349236207345'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114239349236207345'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/03/disney-and-other-kingdom.html' title='Disney and the Other Kingdom'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-114031215307002640</id><published>2006-02-18T15:45:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-09-03T15:10:48.758-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Scientific Knowledge vs. Religious Knowledge</title><content type='html'>This post is inspired by the problem that fans of science often have with the reasonableness of holding Chrisitan religious beliefs, and the twin problem that makes Chrisitans often nervous about applauding the sciences.  My case is that both problems often result in failing to distinguish the properly separate spheres of scientific knowledge and religious knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science, everyone agrees, arrives at truth-claims by using the apparatus of the natural world, in order to make conclusions about the things in the natural world.  That is, science as a human endeavor is concerned about testable physical causes and reactions in the world of matter, both living and non-living.  Even when its hypotheses are not actually testable, science thinks that it's conclusions are at least testable in principle, given enough time, money, improved technology, etc. Christians, of all people, should be glad and optimistic about the possibility and value of scientific conclusions because they believe (on scriptural grounds, no less) that God has made and approves of the physical world, and that he has made it in in an orderly way that generally conforms to basic physical laws.  To put this another way, Christians have deep theological reasons (deeper than some other religious traditions) to be champions of the knowledge that science provides.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But science is not in the business of commenting on the role of non-physical realities, like God.  It simply has no tools to weigh in on questions like "Does God exist?" "What is the meaning of life?" and, "What's the difference between right and wrong?"  If such questions are meaningful at all, they are not meaningful because of any objects or events in the physical world.  This in no sense makes science an enemy of such religious questions, but serves to remind us that such questions cannot be settled with the physical tools of the laboratory.  Problems result when fans of science (against the advice of most scientists) make this kind of a move: "Unless science can show me evidence for why a certain religious belief is true, it is unreasonable for me to believe it."  Philosophers would call this a "category mistake."  Religious knowledge, whatever it is, is not derived by the rules that properly govern the formation of scientific knowlege.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In everyday life we understand that there are different types of knowledge, some of which allow us to reasonably hold beliefs that we have no scientific ground for.  My favorite example of this is the inutitive knowledge of the "hunch".  When we say that we have a hunch about something, we specifically mean that we can't cite any particular evidence (and certainly not scientific evidence) for some belief that we find ourselves in possession of.  It is often reasonable to act on hunches even though it is not "scientifically reasonable" to do so.  While "hunch knowledge" is not as objectively testable or even as regularly reliable as "scientific knowledge", it is the fool that completely ignores her hunches for those reasons!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is "religious knowlege" like "hunch knowlege"? In many ways "no", but in one important way "yes":  both show an alternate and reasonable means of gaining certain beliefs that are not the result of scientific inquiry.  If an invisible and non-material God exists, science (by definition) will have no evidence to offer one way or another.  If God does exist, and I come to believe that he does, the reasonableness of my belief will be grounded on different criteria than the canons of the scientific method.  Again, saying this does not slight science in any way. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oftentimes the secular critique of religious belief is on the grounds that we are irrationally dismissing the gains of scientific knowledge if we come to hold any untestable religious beliefs.  But this is to wrongly think that all knowledge must be scientifically derived. Science itself would place no such limits on us and how we form proper beliefs.  The opposite mistake is the sometimes Christian hostility toward the sciences that results from forgetting that God made a physical world that has observable, testable processes that can be discovered without reference to the supernatural.  It is not unspiritual to pursue the sciences -- if anything, it honors the God who set the world up in such a way that invites us to examine its mechanisms and complexity.  While some religious beliefs refer to physical things and historical events (especially in Christianity), including the miraculous suspension of normal physical laws, the basic beliefs of Christanity are not unreasonable by any judgment from science.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The last sentence will raise in some minds  a good question about the rules for another category of belief, "historical knowledge".  On what grounds to can we claim that a certain event happened in a certain way and for certain reasons?  History deals with events in the physical world that are, therefore, somewhat open to scienfic conjecture --  but not fully, given the amazing number of unknown variables and unobservabe causes that go into any one event.  Events of ancient history are even harder to study, given the often paucity of sources.  It's not hard to see why history, as an academic discipline, has sometimes been considered a science, and at other times an art.  Since Chrisitanity rises or falls based on whether or not certain events took place in first-century Palestine, several important Christian beliefs should be considered claims to "historical knowlege".  Here, things get more interesting, because both Christians and non-believers are properly operating on the same turf, dealing with the same category of knowlege.  The reasonableness of the Christian beliefs about the life, death, and resurrection Jesus Christ is based, in part, on whether or not Christians are using the canons of historical knowledge propery or improperly, and, whether they have the right canons at all.  This is a much more slippery debate, given the slippery nature of historiography in general.  Yet (I think) the Christians make a strong case, though the reasons for saying so will require another post.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-114031215307002640?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/114031215307002640/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=114031215307002640' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114031215307002640'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/114031215307002640'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2006/02/scientific-knowledge-vs-religious.html' title='Scientific Knowledge vs. Religious Knowledge'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-111879561160132763</id><published>2005-06-14T16:09:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-14T17:33:31.606-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Did Jesus Die? or, Avoiding a Reduced Gospel</title><content type='html'>The previous post which argued that we ought to be able to affirm BOTH the new-creation-inaugurating aspect of Jesus' death AND the sin-atoning accomplishment of it leads me to a broader observation: sometimes those of us who speak about the value of Jesus' death on the cross tend to reduce the benefits of it to one or two areas while the Bible itself seems happily to move between many.  While some of these benefits are overlapping, none of the following five are easily reduced to a single achievement:  Because of the cross 1) the sinner's impurity is cleansed through a sacrifice (Heb.9:13-14), 2) Jesus pays a ransom for the debt that sin has created (Matt.6:12; Mark 10:45; 1 Tim.2:6), 3) Jesus conquers the power of sin, death, and the devil (Col.1:12-14, 2:14-15), 4) the personal hostility between God and the sinner is removed (Rom.5:10), 5) the legal judgment of sin was transferred from the human law-breaker to Jesus (Gal.3:13).  While it may be true that the church sometimes makes the mistake of emphasizing some of these benefits while neglecting others, we should resist the temptation to respond to one kind of reductionism with another.  Not just biblically, but even intuitively, would we not expect that the multiple manifestations of falleness from which creation suffers would all be reversed by the work of Christ (even if only in an inaugurated extent)?  This is the long-awaited Savior of the whole sinful creation, afterall, and his arrival brings a restoration "far as the curse is found", not just to the curse as summarized by one family of biblical images of falleness. Broken bodies will one day be given resurrected bodies like his in which to experience a restored world, but also they will enjoy the forgiveness of a God they have offended, the cleansing from their shame, a victory over spiritual and temporal powers that used to enslave them, etc.  To put this another way, when we spot the limitations of some theory of the cross, we should remember that a limitation is not necessarily an un-truth.  Did the old "ransom theory" of the atonement have its problems? Yes, but this doesn't free us from somehow including the clear ransom metaphors used in the New Testament to complete our view of the atonement.  Is N.T. Wright mistaken if he does not believe that the imputation of our sin for Christ's righteousness is a New Testament teaching?  Yes, but that doesn't detract from the value of his work on the new creation themes surrounding Jesus' work which is manifestly biblical if we open our eyes to it.   Christ announces a big gospel, good news all around, and not easily reduced.  Our preaching, to stay scripturally balanced, should probably dance between all the New Testament portraits of what Jesus accomplished.  A good example of the both/and approach to the cross (and the resurrection) can be seen in Michael Horton's responses to Frederica Mathewes-Green in The Church in Emerging Culture: Five Perspectives, pp.143-190).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-111879561160132763?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/111879561160132763/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=111879561160132763' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111879561160132763'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111879561160132763'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-did-jesus-die-or-avoiding-reduced.html' title='Why Did Jesus Die? or, Avoiding a Reduced Gospel'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-111743676668801229</id><published>2005-05-29T23:19:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-05T23:28:48.293-07:00</updated><title type='text'>My One Tiny Problem with N.T. Wright</title><content type='html'>I just listened to three fantastic N.T. Wright lectures from a weekend seminar he gave recently in Oxford.  His central claim was that the New Testament theme of God enacting a "new creation" is the most central biblical theme to explain what God is up to in redemptive history.  Contrast this with the assumption of much of platonized Evangelicalism which says that God is primarily in the business of transporting individuals from this world to the ethereal heavenly realm, from the body to the realm of the spirit, etc.  Jesus' resurrection is the inauguration of the new creation, God will one day renew the whole present cosmos from its groaning and fallenness in a like manner, that is, a manner that allows for great continuity between present world and the future new heavens and new earth.  To speak this way is a cure for the dualism that makes the Bible into an instruction manual to get us out of this world and into a different realm of being, which is heaven. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As much as I love what Wright brings to the table,  my lingering concern is what I seem to never hear him saying: the Bible, even given all of its new creation themes, also tells us that what allows anyone to experience the new creation is that Jesus has first atoned for his sins.  I've always thought that the links between Jesus death and the Passover provide a strong reason to see atonement near the heart of Jesus' mission.  Granted, the atonement for our sins is more of a means to an end (a restored friendhship with God) than a final redemptive benefit in itself.   Wright mentions the Passover context of Jesus' death, but relies instead the allusions that the original Exodus Passover would have made to an act of divine re-creation, specifically, that the typical image of God conquering a watery chaos to bring forth a new creation is what the Red Sea crossing and birth of his covenant people is all about.  Wright's evidence is strong that the Red Sea crossing of the Exodus is thick with new creation motifs (which I never saw before, apart from Israel in the desert as a new Adam), but why not affirm this AS WELL AS the atonement motif?  After all, the only people who experienced the "new creation" of the Red Sea crossing were those whose lives were saved by the lamb's blood on the doorpost the night before.  Can't we admit to both the substituionary atonement and new creation as important motifs? The first describes the entrance mechanism and the second, the nature of the kingdom itself, but both are important.  To emphasize God's new creation without dealing with the atonement seems to underappreciate Chist's office as priest (even while doing a good job with his kingly office).  In fairness, Wright may not really deny any of this. He is, after all, trying to draw our attention to certain biblical themes that we have often missed (new creation) rather than to articulate an exhaustive system.  But still, something in me wishes that I'd hear a few more bones occassionaly tossed to the substitutionary atonement motif that seems so central to the Old and New Testament way of describing how it is possible for a sinner to get right with God.  To be sure, thanks to Wright, we will not forget that a forgiven sinner will experience God's full redemption in a renewed body, in a renewed cosmos, not somewhere up in the ether.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-111743676668801229?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/111743676668801229/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=111743676668801229' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111743676668801229'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111743676668801229'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2005/05/my-one-tiny-problem-with-nt-wright.html' title='My One Tiny Problem with N.T. Wright'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-111430697937151819</id><published>2005-04-23T17:15:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-04-23T22:12:25.743-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Molinism and Acts 13:48</title><content type='html'>Molinism (after the Jesuit Louis de Molina, 1535-1600) suggests that God only contingently knows the future free choices of human beings, such as a person's decision to put his faith in Christ.  The contingency is whether or not the person does, actually, come to such a belief, for before such a decision is made, it does not exist in a way that can be known.  This means that God does not logically know the outcome of free choices until they are actually made (though temporally, he would know the decision before it takes place). So while temporally God may know what a person's future free choice will be, he knows it only on the basis of what he forsees their future decision to be.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A prima facie read of certain Bible verses seem to challenge such a view, however.  For examle, Acts 13:48, "When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed."  A natural interpretation of this verse suggests that God had first appointed these Gentiles to become believers, only after which (and because of which) they did come to believe upon hearing Paul's message.  They were first appointed to believe (by God, presumably -- who else?) and only later did actually believe.  "Appoint" is quite an active verb, so it appears that God has done something more with regard to these Gentiles than merely know of their future freely chosen faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Molinist must, it seems to me, disagree with something in such an interpretation of Acts 13:48.  And, of course, often we must correct  our prima facie readings of a particular text.  Other scriptures themselves may sway us, or, perhaps we realize our first view has internal inconsistencies, etc.  So here's my concern about Molinism:  what would possibly lead me to abandon my prima facie reading of Acts 13:48 in favor of a Molinistic solution that would, somehow, deny that God actively appointed these Gentiles to believe?  It seems that Molinists are generally motivated by a philosophical contradiction they perceive between saying a given event is both determined by God and also determined by a human being.  Is that concern legitimate enough to pry us loose from the natural reading here?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think so. A simple affirmation that God pre-appoints certain uncoerced human choices is not necessarily a philosophical contradiction.  The Bible's mention in Acts 13:48 that God appointed Gentiles to believe is "simple" in that it doesn't tell us anything about the mechanisms of agency in either the divine or human will.  Admittedly, we would be guilty of a philosophical contradiction if we said that God freely determined the outcome of that event in a simultaneous and exactly similar way that free Gentile wills determined it.  But no one is making that claim (that I know of).  The Bible does not say how God can determine an event that is also freely chosen by a human, it just says he does, without indulging us in the details.  But someone might respond, "Knowing the details wouldn't change anything, since even what it said is a contradiction."  But this is only the case if God's agency operates enough like human agency that there isn't room for both to act freely to produce the same event.   Granted this would be impossible if talking about two humans (I can't predetermine that my wife will eat pizza with me tonight and then claim she has an equally free choice whether to eat it or not). Isn't it quite possible, then, that God knows something we don't about divine agency that makes it different than ours?  Why opt for a philophical solution like Molinism that forces us to nearly deny the face value of a text like Acts 13:48, not to mention that necessarily rests on determinations about the mechanics of divine causality that do not seem to be revealed to us?  The alternative is to give the Bible the benefit of the doubt about what is possible within God's mysterious ways. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are just some opening thoughts, mostly to myself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-111430697937151819?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/111430697937151819/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=111430697937151819' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111430697937151819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111430697937151819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2005/04/molinism-and-acts-1348.html' title='Molinism and Acts 13:48'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-111354515925384712</id><published>2005-04-14T22:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-02T17:33:20.741-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Christian Philosophers and Divine Agency</title><content type='html'>My philospher friend Mark Case (Ph.D. Cornell) and I had a short discusssion the other day about the nature of free-will.  Apparently, the majority of Christian philosophers, following Alvin Plantinga, tend to think that human free-will is not compatible with the kind of determinism that states that if one could know everything about the universe, then one could predict any future event.  But where would this leave the likes of Jonathan Edwards and his position on free will?  Edwards seemed to say that God does have such perfect knowledge, but that humans still do, in fact, have a kind of free-will in the sense that they can always choose in favor of their preferences.  Is this just too shallow a sense of free-will to deserve the name, according to Plantinga, et. al.?  In a somewhat related observation, my nagging sense has been than we don't know enough about the nature of divine agency to state, philosophically, that God can't determine a human decision without violating all senses of free-agency in the human chooser. Isn't it conceivable that God could act on an object (like a human will) in a way unlike ways that we would (such as coercion, brainwashing, etc.) and thereby allow that God can foreordain (in God's way) a human choice that nonetheless allows that choice to still be called "free"?  Isn't it a potential err to make quick analogies between zero-sum events of agency in the world of our normal experience with what need not be zero-sum events when we're dealing with an agent like God who gets his work done God-knows-how? I need to think more about this (and my later post on Molinism goes deeper into this issue).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-111354515925384712?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/111354515925384712/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=111354515925384712' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111354515925384712'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111354515925384712'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2005/04/christian-philosophers-and-divine.html' title='Christian Philosophers and Divine Agency'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12136944.post-111335410239949213</id><published>2005-04-12T18:01:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-04-23T22:15:32.516-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Phone Dedication</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="audblog"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.audioblogger.com/media/54929/173197.mp3" class="audLink"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.blogblog.com/audiopost.gif" class="audImg"border="0" alt="this is an audio post - click to play" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12136944-111335410239949213?l=enormoushippo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/feeds/111335410239949213/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136944&amp;postID=111335410239949213' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111335410239949213'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12136944/posts/default/111335410239949213'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://enormoushippo.blogspot.com/2005/04/phone-dedication.html' title='Phone Dedication'/><author><name>Brian Kay</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10441184155649365577</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://photos6.flickr.com/9342765_9484719a29_m.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
